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NASB | Romans 1:18 ¶ For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 1:18 ¶ For [God does not overlook sin and] the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who in their wickedness suppress and stifle the truth, |
Bible Question:
I know you read Genesis. What is the plan of God for Adam and Eve? We know that to live forever and ever in the paradise, they will not going to die, they have no sickness, but what happened when they ate that forbidden fruit? they die! Do you think it is part of God that they will eat that forbidden fruit? Why God warn them? Do you think the warning of God for them is just a trick because no matter what they have no choice but to eat that fruit because it is part of God's plan. Meaning they have no choice but to eat that fruit because it is part of God's plan. Why God's gave the warning? Ge 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Ge 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 18. Easton Ge 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. If you read those verses God punish Adam and Eve for their disobediece. If eating those fruit it is really part of God's plan, Why God's has to punish them? Do you think God created human so He can put them into the punishment? Could you please answer this! Second I post the question that do you think Lucifer become God's opposer is also part of God's plan? Do you mean God created Lucifer so he will become the Devil? Please answer this! If your answer is Yes! and then you have to accept that it is part of God's plan that to many souls will go to hell part of his plan. Answer this. If you think that all things happen according to God's plan all Bad happened it is Him who was oschestrated. Do you think it part of God's plan that kill people in flood in the time of Noah? Do you think it part of God's plan that He will burn Sodom and Gomorah? Where is the choice of the people to become Good or eveil if all things is oschestrated by God. Meaning We have no choice. Do you think when Saul appopinted by God to become a king of Israel it God also oschestrated saul to become Bad so God can replace him and put David as a new king? What kind of God is that? If all things happened because of God's plan all wars happen in this world God who the one oschestrated! I know war is part of Jesus prophecy in the bible, because He knows it going to happen but it is not mean that He is the one oschestrated it to happen. You also very fast to judge that it is part of my wrong opinions Lu 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Well granting for a while that my opinion is wrong. We all know to many person commit suicide! do you think that is a God's plan fro them to commit suicide? If all things happen because it was God's plan meaning what happen is it God's will so all this wars and shortage of food was a God's will. Why Jesus Christ taught us to pray Our Father? 6:9 ¶ After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Mt 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. "It is include thy will be done" Why keep parying it if The will og God is Happened already? Johnny |
Bible Answer: Johnny: Adam and Eve, being untainted by original sin, did have free choice. God also knew from the beginning what their choice would be, wouldn't you agree? Therefore, before even creating Adam and Eve, he had in mind His plan of redemption through Jesus Christ for their sin. God's warning for them meant that they knew what the deserved consequences of their action would be once they committed it. "Second I post the question that do you think Lucifer become God's opposer is also part of God's plan? Do you mean God created Lucifer so he will become the Devil? Please answer this!" We have two possible options here: 1. God created Lucifer, not knowing that he would rebel against Him. 2. God created Lucifer, knowing full well that he would rebel against Him. The decision was Lucifer's, but I cannot accept option 1 with an omniscient God. Can you? "If your answer is Yes! and then you have to accept that it is part of God's plan that to many souls will go to hell part of his plan. Answer this." I will let Paul answer for me: "Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath PREPARED for destruction?" --Romans 9:21-22 You wrote: "Do you think when Saul appopinted by God to become a king of Israel it God also oschestrated saul to become Bad so God can replace him and put David as a new king? What kind of God is that?" First of all, Saul didn't BECOME bad. We are all BORN bad. We do not come out of the womb morally neutral, but rather predisposed toward displeasing God in all that we do. And David was already part of the plan, yes. God revealed in Genesis that kings and the Redeemer would come out of the line of Judah. Read Genesis 49:8-10. Saul was of the tribe of Benjamin. Tell me what God's plan was. In addition, Saul was God's choice for king at that time in part to show the folly of Israel wanting a king in the first place. Read 1 Samuel 8. "Do you think it part of God's plan that kill people in flood in the time of Noah?" Whose plan was it if not God's? You wrote: "If all things happened because of God's plan all wars happen in this world God who the one oschestrated! I know war is part of Jesus prophecy in the bible, because He knows it going to happen but it is not mean that He is the one oschestrated it to happen." God does indeed orchestrate wars. God commanded Israel to wage war against the Canaanites in Joshua. Read the book of Jeremiah to see that God does indeed bring about war for His purposes. Read in particular verses like Jeremiah 16:10 and 18:8 and 18:11 amd 19:3 and 19:15 and 23:12. Who is bringing the calamity upon Judah? God. In what form? Invasion from Babylon. Does Babylon intend to serve God by invading Judah? Absolutely not, but their sinful act serves God's purposes. Finally, Johnny, with all due respect, you completely ignored evrything that I brought up in my previous post, most especially those passages from the Bible which clearly support my point. If I am wrong in my assessment of how God has revealed himsefl, please go back to thses verses that I brought up and explain to me how they are not saying what I think they are saying. In other words, what do they really mean? --Joe! |