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1 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80255 | ||
And if Satan had control why did he allow the spirit to give God's message not one of his own like "Saul your doing great! Your showing God who is in control." Good question....my response would be that Samuel would not lie. This was Samuel, not some denomic imitation. But you bring up an interesting point..If Satan had authority to bring up Samuel's soul but not to control his words... "Before Jesus when a person died his soul went to Hades either to the hot dry side or to Abraham's bosom just as God desired not Satan. After Jesus the unrighteous still do to the hot dry place while we go to be with the Lord again just as God desires." I agree, but if they were not under Satan's domain why did they not simply go to heaven? Why did they have to go to the holding place? Was it because they were still seperated from God by sin? "Your example of the donkey doesn't encourage us to go talk to donkey's so why say it would encourage us to use mediums." My point was more to the fact that God would not do something he forbade us to do. He had options that did not violate His Word. God would not use a medium because He would be contradicting His own command. He would have used some/any other source rather than violate His own Word. "God often uses things that aren't in agreement with Him to accomplish His will. God used a whore Rahab, He used liar and deceiver Jacob. God even used a dying theif hanging on a cross to show us His mercy." Your use of these as examples tells me that you do not understand. God did not 'prostitue' Himself with a prostitute, God did not 'lie' with Jacob, and God was not a sinner dying on the cross. All these people acted on truth...Rahab assisted God's men by faith and her life was spared, Jacob obeyed God's commands and led Israel to victory in the Promised Land, the sinner repented...and was forgiven. The spiritist was not acting in obedience to God but was committing a grave act against Him. " 'Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God. (Whole Chapter: Leviticus 19 In context: Leviticus 19:30-32) Leviticus 20:6 " 'I will set my face against the person who turns to mediums and spiritists to prostitute himself by following them, and I will cut him off from his people. (Whole Chapter: Leviticus 20 In context: Leviticus 20:5-7) Leviticus 20:27 " 'A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads.' " (Whole Chapter: Leviticus 20 In context: Leviticus 20:26-28) Deuteronomy 18:11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. (Whole Chapter: Deuteronomy 18 In context: Deuteronomy 18:10-12) [Lev 18:21; 2 Kin 16:3; 17:17] He made his son pass through the fire, [Lev 19:26, 31; Deut 18:10-14] practiced witchcraft and used divination, and dealt with mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the sight of the LORD provoking Him to anger. (Whole Chapter: 2 Kings 21 In context: 2 Kings 21:5-7) 2 Kings 23:24 Moreover, Josiah removed [Lev 19:31; 2 Kin 21:6] the mediums and the spiritists and the [Gen 31:19 mg] teraphim and [2 Kin 21:11, 21] the idols and all the abominations that were seen in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, [Deut 18:10-22] that he might confirm the words of the law which were written [2 Kin 22:8] in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the LORD. (Whole Chapter: 2 Kings 23 In context: 2 Kings 23:23-25) 1 Chronicles 10:13 [1 Sam 13:13, 14; 15:23] So Saul died for his trespass which he committed against the LORD, because of the word of the LORD which he did not keep; and also [Lev 19:31; 20:6; 1 Sam 28:7] because he asked counsel of a medium, making inquiry of it, (Whole Chapter: 1 Chronicles 10 In context: 1 Chronicles 10:12-14) 2 Chronicles 33:6 [2 Chr 28:3] He made his sons pass through the fire in the valley of Ben-hinnom; and he practiced witchcraft, used divination, practiced sorcery and [Lev 19:31; 20:27] dealt with mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the sight of the LORD, provoking Him to anger. (Whole Chapter: 2 Chronicles 33 In context: 2 Chronicles 33:5-7) And many more....God cannot give commandment then violate it Himself, because violating His commands is sin and He cannot sin. God bless |
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2 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | EdB | 80273 | ||
Graceful Okay I will give you my examples of Rahab Jacob and thief on the cross do not directly carry the same connotation as God using a medium but they do show God uses people that are not always doing what he desired. Balaam on the other hand was a true of example of God using an unholy prophet to prophesy blessing on the children of Israel. The reason the people that were righteous before Christ did not go directly to God is they still had unforgiven sin in the their lives. However that does not imply Satan had control of their souls. They were resting waiting for the Messiah. Satan can’t take a soul and bring it back to earth. Nothing in the Bible supports that idea. Mediums deal with familiar spirits, demons that know the past and present. They don’t know the future. Satan doesn’t know the future. When Jesus cast out the demon from the demonic they asked to go into the pigs. If they had known the future they would have known the pigs would race of the cliff and die. Instead they thought they were buying time until they could find another body to inhabit. When God brought forth Samuel the medium was stunned she had never had a righteous person appear before more importantly she never had any spirit tell the future. Why did God choose to do it this way I don’t know. But I do know Satan can not bring people back from the dead. He might deceive someone into thinking he can by letting you see one of his demons or an apparition, but this passage says Samuel appeared not an apparition. EdB |
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3 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80288 | ||
Part 2 "Why did God choose to do it this way I don’t know." God ceased speaking to Saul. Saul chose to seek out the medium...did God know what he would do? Surely...did God tell him to do it? No Did God bring Samuel back? Scripture says the medium called him back. Would God use a medium forbidden by Himself? No... "But I do know Satan can not bring people back from the dead. He might deceive someone into thinking he can by letting you see one of his demons or an apparition, but this passage says Samuel appeared not an apparition." As my husband and I discussed this evening when discussing this chapter in 1 Samuel...when scripture clashes with our beliefs we have two choices, submit our beliefs to the Holy Spirit for correction or disallow the scripture. Your belief that Satan had no authority clashes with the fact that in scripture a woman under demonic authority called back one from the dead and this one from the dead did indeed speak of the future. But a sinner when they are in their sin are under Satan's jurisdiction. When Jesus died and went to Abraham's bosom and preached, Samuel no doubt believed and the authority was broken, but until then he was held captive to death and hell. My conclusion: 1 Samuel clearly states that Saul went to the medium because God has ceased to speak to him. The medium was forbidden by God so God would not have spoken through or used the medium because His own Word forbade it.(For God to violate His own law would make Him a sinner) so the authority the medium used must have been from Satan. The medium called forth Samuel (not an aparition or a familiar spirit). Samuel spoke to Saul reaffirming that God had stripped him of his kingdom and that he and his sons would die the next day. Colossians 2:9-10 "For in Him (Messiah), bdily, lives the fullness of all that god is. And it is in union with Him that you have been made full-He is the head of every rule and authority." In union with Him...we are the body and He is the head, and Satan is under the feet! Out of union with Him? You decide... God bless |
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4 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | EdB | 80312 | ||
Graceful Ask yourself one question in all of this. Did Samuel tell the future or not? He did! He told him he and his sons would die the next day. Satan could not have known that. Only God knows the future because God is omnipresent He transcends time. Satan is not omnipresent therefore the future is a mystery to him. Samuel spoke the future to Saul that could only come from one place God. Secondly there is no biblical basis for the assumption that Satan controls dead souls. You keep using Satan's jurisdiction, please go back and read the opening chapters of Job. We know little of Satan but from the interaction between God and him in these first few chapters of Job we see Satan does nothing that God doesn’t give him permission to. Satan is a created being and he is in some degree of subjection to God, look how he reports, and answers God questions. You say Satan is under our feet. I know that is a song many sing but in fact Satan is not under our feet. At the present he is heaven accusing the saints. Rev. 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night. There is no Biblical basis for the belief that Satan is under our feet. He stands accusing us and Jesus our high priest makes intercession for us. Hebrews 8:1 Now the main point in what has been said is this: we have such a high priest, who has taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, EdB |
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