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1 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80152 | ||
Hi Ed, At this point I retract my statement that Satan had authoritity on the earth before Adam. And will do more research before returning to this thread to post my conclusion. However, on the statement that Adam surrendered authority to Satan has much scriptural basis, and that Jesus the Christ took back the keys to death, hell and the grave and gave authority to men is the Gospel. But I do not have time to address them at the moment. The scripture already posted will have to suffice for now. To narrow the field of discussion, what is your view? God bless |
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2 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | EdB | 80176 | ||
Graceful From whom did Jesus receive the keys of death Hell and grave? Hint look in Job where God tells Satan what he can and can not do. You said there is much scriptural basis for Adam giving Satan authority. From scripture what authority did Adam have? Hint he was to watch over the garden. Please show me where Adam gave Satan any authority. EdB |
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3 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80222 | ||
Hi Ed. "Hint he was to watch over the garden." Genesis 1 26 Then God said, "Let (1) Us make (2) man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them (3) rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." Ed, the scripture in Colossians 1:13 says He has rescued us from the domain of darkness and transfeed us into the Kingdom of His dear Son. Acts 26:18 "...I am sending you to open the eyes; so that they will turn from the power (jurisdiction, authority) of the Adversary to God.." Ephesians 1:21 "..far above principalities and powers..." We are looking at 'delegation' not usurping authority. God's supremacy is not, nor has ever been in question, but He by covenant has delegated His people to rise above the authority(dominion) of Satan. From verse 13 of Colossians it would seem that before Jesus, all mankind was held captive by Satan through our sin nature. In light of this when did man come under Satan's dominion and NEED a redeemer if not at the fall of Adam? Let me ask you...Where did the dead in faith go before Jesus was raised from the dead? No doubt they died 'in faith' awaiting the promise...Yeshua! Our sin nature made us subject to Satan. Jesus' redemptive work transfered us from Satan's kingdom to the Kingdom of God. Unfortunately, many of God's people's lives are stil captive to Satan through his lies(not captive from eternal life, but captive from deliverance and victory in this life)not realizing Jesus has already delivered them. AGAIN: God's supremacy is not, nor has ever been in question, but He by covenant has delegated His people to rise above the authority(dominion) of Satan. God has NEVER not been final authority, and by His final authority He provided His covenant. Neither Satan nor man can undo the covenant God made. Man can reject it...but man can not undo it. As I sated when I first came to the forum...God IN His sovereignty established covenants (with conditions to be met by both parties) with man from Adam to us(through Jesus) and He honors His covenant with His life to all that enter in through the blood by faith. God bless |
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4 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | EdB | 80233 | ||
graceful Hi and a blessed good morning to you. Graceful I think you have a sound understanding of this subject, but you use words that come dangerously close to the heresy that teaches God lost control of the earth in the garden. That God almost regained it through Abraham but Abraham fell short, so God had to trick Satan and sneaked Jesus on to the earth. But Satan wasn’t done yet and upon His death Jesus had to wrestle the authority (keys of death hell and grave) from Satan’s grasp. This is total and complete nonsense. When I hear people saying Adam gave Satan authority my ears pick up. Adam did not have authority to give Satan anything. Satan was in this world seeking a way to strike at God. He found Eve he didn’t gain any power he just brought man (God’s creation) into the same state he was in, separated from God, blinded by sin. We must be careful not to ascribe to Satan something he never had. Satan is not the master of sin. Satan is in sin himself. Satan because he is a spiritual being has power that exceed ours not because of his sin, but because of what he was a spiritual being. Some would say Satan is the inventor of sin therefore sin is his creation, but sin is the result of rebellion to God and Satan was the first to commit it. Satan is the great deceiver the father of lies and through these tactics he has played upon man’s sin nature. God gave Adam dominion over the earth and the animals, which is very different than authority. Dominion means you dominate something. Man still has it, we change the face of this earth almost constantly with our digging and shifting dirt around. We control and channel the power of nature with hydroelectric dams, wind generators, sea walls, even seeding the clouds. There isn't an animal that doesn't run from man. Even the most vicious and ferocious will run from man unless trapped or hurt. Man is even responsible for eliminating or making extinct entire breeds of animals. Yes man still dominates the world. If we read the curse, God didn't say I transfer anything to Satan. God said man would die. The earth would be cursed not to yield it’s fullness to man. Woman would suffer pain of birth. There is no transfer of power, no abdicating of authority. God remained in control. Colossians 1:13 is an allegory, a word picture, of our salvation. Jesus himself said He did not come to take us out of this world but that we would become lights unto this world. This world suffers the results of sin not of Satan. Satan is God’s adversary; he destroys man not to build a kingdom but rather to strike back at God. The Bible uses statements like god of this world or prince of this world not to establish Satan in some legal position but to describe the effect he has upon the world. God retained all power especially the keys of death hell and the grave. Upon Jesus’ death God gave Jesus those keys, also seen as title deed to the earth. Scripture says “All” authority has been granted to Jesus, Christians only have the right to use his name. Read Exodus 23:25-26 "But you shall serve the LORD your God, and He will bless your bread and your water; and I will remove sickness from your midst. 26"There shall be no one miscarrying or barren in your land; I will fulfill the number of your days.” God is basically saying he would restore man to conditions that existed in the garden if man would serve him. If Satan had authority God could not have done this. Satan and his power is and always was subject to God. EdB |
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