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1 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | EdB | 80273 | ||
Graceful Okay I will give you my examples of Rahab Jacob and thief on the cross do not directly carry the same connotation as God using a medium but they do show God uses people that are not always doing what he desired. Balaam on the other hand was a true of example of God using an unholy prophet to prophesy blessing on the children of Israel. The reason the people that were righteous before Christ did not go directly to God is they still had unforgiven sin in the their lives. However that does not imply Satan had control of their souls. They were resting waiting for the Messiah. Satan can’t take a soul and bring it back to earth. Nothing in the Bible supports that idea. Mediums deal with familiar spirits, demons that know the past and present. They don’t know the future. Satan doesn’t know the future. When Jesus cast out the demon from the demonic they asked to go into the pigs. If they had known the future they would have known the pigs would race of the cliff and die. Instead they thought they were buying time until they could find another body to inhabit. When God brought forth Samuel the medium was stunned she had never had a righteous person appear before more importantly she never had any spirit tell the future. Why did God choose to do it this way I don’t know. But I do know Satan can not bring people back from the dead. He might deceive someone into thinking he can by letting you see one of his demons or an apparition, but this passage says Samuel appeared not an apparition. EdB |
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2 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80289 | ||
Ed Part 1 I have tried to manipulate this post into two because it exceeds the limit. Part 2 will apear before part 1 if this works. Forgive me for not being real accurate with this effort. "The reason the people that were righteous before Christ did not go directly to God is they still had unforgiven sin in the their lives." Correct...they still had unforgiven sin because the blood of animals could not redeem them. They died looking ofr the promise...But until the redeemer was provided they were bound by the grave. Hebrews 2 13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. 14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. "Mediums deal with familiar spirits, demons that know the past and present. They don’t know the future. Satan doesn’t know the future." I would have to say this is an assumption at this point, a common teaching but not necessarily based on scripture because the scripture in 1 Samuel says the medium called Samuel and Samuel knew the future because he states to Saul what he had stated to him in life.. " Why ask me, if ADONAI has left you and become your enemy? ADONAI has done for himself what he foretold through me- ADONAI has torn the kingdom out of your hands and given it to your fellow countryman David....Adonai is giving Israel as wel as yourself over to the power of the Philistines...and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The reason I see your statement as an assumption is these scriptures clealy say the medium called Samuel and Samuel told Saul.. so odviously this medium did not call a 'familiar' spirit. If we stay with these scriptures in context we have to acknowledge the odvious. In other scriptures concerning mediums, does God say the 'can't' or does he simply forbid asking them? "When Jesus cast out the demon from the demonic they asked to go into the pigs." No doubt Jesus has authority over Satan and He gave us His authority to use His name thus giving us authority. And a sinner when he invokes the name of Jesus in repentance then is born again thus by faith in the promise..defeating Satan. "If they had known the future they would have known the pigs would race of the cliff and die. Instead they thought they were buying time until they could find another body to inhabit." I agree, Satan is not omniscient. He does not know all things. If he had known he would not have crucified the King of Glory..But again, you are speaking to the conflicting belief that the medium called a familiar spirit and not Samuel himself who did know. "When God brought forth Samuel the medium was stunned she had never had a righteous person appear before more importantly she never had any spirit tell the future." This is not what scripture says. "When the woman saw Samuel she let out a shriek." Why? "Then the woman said to Saul,'Why have you deceived me? You yourself are Saul!' This woman was affraid for her life, as she had also stated when Saul first came to her in verse 9. |
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3 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | EdB | 80314 | ||
Graceful You said “I agree, Satan is not omniscient. He does not know all things. If he had known he would not have crucified the King of Glory. But again, you are speaking to the conflicting belief that the medium called a familiar spirit and not Samuel himself who did know.” First Satan did not crucify Jesus we did. Jesus went to the cross for our sin. Jesus allowed Himself to be place on the cross. Secondly you say he was talking to Samuel and Samuel did know. How did Samuel know he was dead? Are you suggesting that God informed Samuel of Saul’s death but never intended him to use that information. Doesn’t that seem to conflict with 2 Peter 1:20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, Therefore we have to surmise if God did tell Samuel this information, God intended Samuel to make it known to Saul. If Samuel was dead then God had to intend to bring Samuel back from the dead to tell Saul this. You asked why the woman shrieked because she knew instantly that Samuel was from God therefore this had to be Saul who had God’s hand upon him. Remember David when chased by Saul refused to touch him in his own defense. Why because he said thou shall not touch God’s anointed. You never addressed the fact that God did use an unrighteous prophet Balaam to prophesize blessing on Israel. Also please read 1 Kings 13 you will see that God used another false prophet to prophesize truth. It is a very interesting story, one which give you a lot more to think about. EdB |
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4 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80425 | ||
"Secondly you say he was talking to Samuel and Samuel did know. How did Samuel know he was dead? Are you suggesting that God informed Samuel of Saul’s death but never intended him to use that information." Now here you have a valid point. If Samuel had only stated that Saul hadlost the kingdom, he would have been repeating what he already knew before he died. but no doubt God told Samuel that Saul and his sons would die. I also have no doubt that God knew Saul would seek the medium...but I can't accept that God would violate His Word and empower the medium to call Samuel forth. And these scriptures do not state that God called Samuel. It says she called him forth. "You asked why the woman shrieked because she knew instantly that Samuel was from God therefore this had to be Saul who had God’s hand upon him." No, I beliee she feared for her life. It does not say she was afraid of Samuel...Or God.. You never addressed the fact that God did use an unrighteous prophet Balaam to prophesize blessing on Israel. Also please read 1 Kings 13 you will see that God used another false prophet to prophesize truth. It is a very interesting story, one which give you a lot more to think about." I did read both of these today. Never the less they were both prophets...failed and weak though they were...they were not demonic soulmates whom God commanded to be killed as noted in other spriptures and forbade any to seek out as I posted earlier. If God had performed any miracle by any other means other than one strictly frobidden by HIMSELF which would be a violation of HIS WORD I could accept your theory...But if God forbids us to commit sin and then commits sin Himself...He would not be God...That would be the same as commanding us not to commit murder but going out and committing murder Himself and saying it was OK because He is God. My next area of research will be to look at all the scriptures pertaining to mediums and see what else God had to say. God bless |
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5 | What was the answer? | 1 Sam 28:12 | EdB | 80434 | ||
Graceful God didn’t perform anything He allowed what the medium wanted in sin to manifest. The medium was still in sin the fact that she got the real Samuel instead of one of Satan’s demons doesn’t not change that fact. Saul was in sin asking for the medium to tell his future. God simply allowed to sinful people to get what they thought they wanted. Saul was looking for assurance that he would prevail and that God was with him. The medium thought she would bring forth a lying spirit that would tell Saul he would live long and prosper and she would be rewarded. Suddenly God revealed both their sins by manifesting Samuel which brought conviction to the medium thus she shrieked and to Saul for seeking the medium in the first place. Tell me you don’t see the same thing in 1 Kings 22:20-22 "The LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab to go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?' And one said this while another said that. 21"Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.' 22"The LORD said to him, 'How?' And he said, 'I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' Then He said, 'You are to entice him and also prevail. Go and do so.' If you read 1 kings 13 as I asked you to read you saw the same thing happen again. The old prophet lied. God said if the prophet lies he is to be stoned. God then used that same lying prophet to tell the young prophet of his death. Surely you can see the similarity EdB |
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