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1 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Ancient | 127384 | ||
EdB, (Continued ...) To summarize the quoted passagese, according to love, I conclude the following results as according to plain scripture: If you love God and love your neighbor, you will live. There are no commandments greater than these, and all other laws are dependent upon the two for their very existence. Love is the commandment of Christ, and if you do that, everyone will know that we are his diciples. Love edifies, and all that we do should be done in love. In Christ, nothing means anything, except that it be by faith through love. Love is the fulfillment of the law; there is no commandment we have that is not summed up by it, and love does no harm to another. The things that define love are the fruits of the spirit, and there are no laws against such things. Through faith, and rooted and grounded in love, we can comprehend all things. Love is the perfect bond of unity, and it is the goal of the Apostles' instruction. If you are loving each other, you are fulfilling the royal law, and you do well. Love is the message we have heard from the beginning, and love covers a multitude of sins. We know that we have passed from death to life because we love one another, and it is by this sincere love that we will assure our hearts before God. If we love, we are born of God, know God ... we abide in God and God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us. This same love that nailed his own Son to the cross. If love does all these things, as according to plain scripture, then love is all you need. The root point of the "go to church" issue, and the reason for some of my questions stems from this truth. We all agree that going to church is a good thing, but if you miss church two weeks in a row, you have not sinned. You have missed church. In no way have you failed to love another by missing the assembly at the church house. If, on the other hand, you make it a commandment, then you have sinned if you miss it once, and this without harming anyone or failing to love your brothers and sisters even by accident. It is for this reason that church is not a command. It is a good thing to do. If it is a command, you are a murderer if you miss it once. Observe the words of James: James 2:10-11 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one, he has become guilty of all. For He who said, "Don not commit adultery," also said, "Do not commit murder." Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. In other words, if you make it a command, and you miss it once, you are also a murder. Now observe the words of John: 1 John 3:15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. In short, if it is a command, then you are a murderer if you miss church once, and no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. If, on the other hand, it is exhortation, if you miss you are still loving those around you, but simply missed service. Love IS the law in all respects, and it never fails. 1 John 2:10 The one who loves his brother abides in the Light and there is no cause for stumbling in him. Ancient |
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2 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127405 | ||
Ancient First don't you see what your doing? Your using proof text. That is when you take text stand alone out of context and paste it with others in an effort to make the text prove what your saying. First Love is an emotion, it has no action of it own. For love to accomplish anything it must have action. I don’t see how you can debate that it is so obvious. That is why God gave us commandments, precepts, standards, and laws so our action would rightly conform to our love. Love can be misguided we see this all the time people loving whales that the expense of the welfare of children (making donations to save the whale at the expense of donating to children's homes) and some even love life to the point of suggesting the idea of creating babies for medical purposes (harvesting stem cells from aborted babies). Love has caused some to mistreat others in what they thought was an act of love. That is why we need laws, standards, precepts and commandments to insure that love is properly directed. Love without action is a hollow as action without love. For either to be effective they must go together. Jesus realized this and said if you love me follow my commandments. Notice He didn’t say sit around and love. Later he said if you say you love me and hate your neighbor then you are a liar. In both cases Jesus is demanding action. God wrote the Bible because of His love for us, in effect it is a love letter. What we do with it reveals whether we love God back or not. Just reading the Bible and doing nothing other than sitting there loving is without purpose and DOES NOT fill the criteria of God. If we really love God we will obey and follow hard after those things He sat down before us. We will be the servants God called us to be. Incidentally servants serve their masters commands. Once more I repeat we are not under the law as far as our salvation but the Law still stands today as a standard by which to live by. If we didn’t have the law ‘thou shall not kill’ and if we loved someone and knew they would be better off in heaven than this earth it could be argued killing them was an act of love. However we do have the commandment ‘thou shall not kill’ therefore there is no way to convolute our understanding of it. That is why God gave commandments. You keep saying if going to church is a commandment and if I break it then I’m the same as a murderer. That is correct we are both sinners in the eyes of God however Jesus died for my sins therefore I won’t suffer the consequences of my sin. That is what it means when the Bible says Jesus paid the price. God gave us scripture so we could live upon this earth serving Him in the way He wanted served. He had Paul pen the words ‘forsake not the assembling together as is the habit of some.’ You can hedge this any way you want, supply scripture until the cow come home but I’m here to tell us God said it was profitable and He desired us to assemble together as a church body. It is equally unprofitable for you or anyone else to try to minimize that in any way. If you can’t see that then sir I submit the enemy has you blinded. Incidentally I really don’t like you misquoting me. Here again you try to proof text taking my words and putting your own meaning to them. My statement was, “If you read what I have said in this thread, while God no longer places demands on us He does gives us direction that He expects us to follow. Ancient is saying not so, if we have love we have met all of god's criteria. I'm trying to show him and others how utterly ridiculous that is.” That is a long way from saying, “it was ridiculous to suggest that love meets all of God's criteria." Once again I say love is emotion and requires action, action must be guided by love but the fact is action is still required. If you can’t see that then I’m afraid you fail to see many things. EdB |
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3 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Ancient | 127416 | ||
EdB, It is clear that you have not looked up any of the passages for context. You have not given my words any real weight. You are wrong! You are being argumentative and prideful. What you want is to win this debate at all costs, and I will no longer cast my pearls before swine. You are disregarding plain scripture. You have been taken in your own craftiness, and the Lord rebuke you. Good day to you. This conversation is at an end. Ancient |
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4 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127434 | ||
Ancient Once again you attack me instead of what I say. The foundation of Christianity is becoming a submitted servant of the Lord which entails far more than just love. It requires joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Along with holiness, righteousness, obedience, committment, faith and willingness to serve. You seem to forget these. EdB |
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