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1 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127315 | ||
Country Girl You have expressed my point clearly. If you read what I have said in this thread, while God no longer places demands on us He does gives us direction that He expects us to follow. Ancient is saying not so, if we have love we have met all of god's criteria. I'm trying to show him and others how utterly ridiculous that is. If you read his comments and dwell on the points he is making you will see it is not othrodox Christianity but rather humanism. EdB |
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2 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Ancient | 127338 | ||
EdB, Believe in Jesus Christ, that God raised him from the dead, and love one another as He gave us commandment. This is the doctrine of Christ. You say that it is ridiculous to suggest that love meets all of God's criteria. You are wrong, and to call the doctrine of Christ humanism is the true heresy. Again, you are wrong, and I can prove it all day and night. This last statement you are making: "If you read his comments and dwell on the points he is making you will see it is not othrodox Christianity but rather humanism," demonstrates my problem with orthodox Christianity. The message Jesus came to teach is love, and no other. Where orthodox Christianty disagrees with that, orthodoxy is defying scripture, and it is wrong. And that is that. Ancient |
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3 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Country Girl | 127345 | ||
True love, Agape type love, that which is described in 1 Cor 13 is the type of love we're commanded to strive for, to grow toward and mature in. Part of this true love is the DEMAND (not option) to assemble together as a family and encourage one another AND rejuvinate ourselves so that we don't think too highly of ourselves but instead get what we need from God and His family on earth set here for that purpose. Some of us need humbling whereas some others need to be built up and encouraged. Some of us have weaknesses with which we should share and deal with them, opening our hearts and repent for the sins in our life. Others of us must assemble with family members, sharing the strengths we've gained with God's help so that others may benefit. In some cases, some might share weaknesses (from one area of his life) one day and then a week later, share a strength (from another area of his life). So you see we MUST see ourselves as being compelled to be there or this function breaks down and the whole system is rendered powerless at least for those that are a "no show." If everyone were to take such a non-chalant attitude about the assembly, then eventually the church would disentagrate, at least for that particular congregation. Naturally, this means the stronger, more mature christian with a little more heritage in the Lord should be expected to be a leader in this devotion to the cohesiveness of the congregation. They should realize the debt they owe to God and be all the more anxious and willing to return the favor by spreading the enthusiasm and encourage growth among the younger and less mature christians. No, my dear friend I'm afraid I can't allow your post with this kind of disregard for God's ultimate authority go unchallenged. We as God's children MUST NOT consider the regular assembling of ourselves in worship as an option. I do hope you'll continue praying and studying on this subject. Blessings to you. Country Girl |
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4 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Ancient | 127356 | ||
Country Girl, If it is a command, show it to me. If it is not written, but in fact just what you believe is "the right thing to do," then concede that it is not a command, but simply "a good thing to do." There is nothing you just said that cannot be done outside the walls of the church, and to be frank, church is the last place I'd want to be for encouragement. It is not a place to talk. It is not a place to fellowship. It is a place where you sing hymns for 30 minutes, pray 20 more, listen to a man preach to you (and often incorrectly depending on the church), then you get to give money to further a million dollar building, the pastor's Mercedes, thousand dollar suits, and to hear him beg money from those in the congregation much less fortunate than himself. All these things I have seen with my own eyes. I have watched pastors preach messages they wanted to preach, deliberately leaving out pertinent passages (like preaching on it being okay to speak in tongues in church, but leaving out the part that says not to do it in church except by two or three, and let one interpret. Otherwise keep silent). I have watched more than one church beg for money and drive home in 80k vehicles, while I! was given coupons when I was starving and homeless on Christmas at 18 years old! Most recently, a friend of mine got a letter from a church because he hadn't been attending. It was the most slanderous, judgmental, presumptuous, condemning letter I have ever seen in my life, let alone from those proclaiming Christianity. There is no church I have ever been in that hears the opinions of those "beneath" the pastor. It is an orthodox system of heirarchy that places some above others, and is more often than not rife with the hypocrisy of respecting persons. They teach laws in church, but never love. Love is the GREATEST commandment, not the least. Agape type love, which is the outward, affectionate display of Agapao, the active action, is something you either have, or do not have. [1st John 3:14 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love (Agapao, actively perform the duties resulting in Agape) the brethren. He who does NOT love (Agapao, actively perform the duties resulting in Agape) abides in death.] Now, have you passed from death into life? Or do you abide in death? Agape is not something to strive for. We were given of God's spirit in order that we may know and exercise said love, and if a person does not do so, they do not know God. They abide in death. You either Agapao, or you do NOT Agapao. I DON'T need the walls of a church between 11:00 AM and 12:00 noon in order to accomplish this, OR the things you listed in your post. If this be the case, then WOE TO US Monday through Saturday. You are wrong. However a good thing it is to go to church, there is nothing done within the walls that I cannot do outside the walls, including assemble with other believers. Show me the commandment, in plain speech, backed up with at least one witness to establish the matter, and I will say you are right and continue going to church as I have been. If you cannot show such a commandment in plain speech with all the necessary parameters to know how to fulfill the command according to your standards, then acknowledge that it is not a commandment, but is, in truth, the thing YOU think is the right thing to do. Further, in the case of the second, acknowledge that what is right for you may not be right for someone else. My conscience is not judged by you, and you should not be judging people in regard to holy days or Sabbaths [Col 2:16]. This is not to say that you have, only that you should not. Lastly, acknowledge that I can do the things listed outside the church walls. I can, I have, and I actively do. Acknowledge that this thing can be done. Now, I'm sorry that I'm harsh. It is bad of me, and I acknowledge this thing. You are truly the last person in here that I want to be harsh with. I've been being attacked over this subject since this time yesterday. When it all started, if you go back to my first post and follow it, you will see that I told EdB that I did not want to discuss this. I just wanted to add some food for thought. Since then, I have been hounded and harrassed, and I finally gave in and discussed the issue. I have my opinion, which is sound according to the doctrine of love, which IS the doctrine we are to abide by. I have defended it actively in this thread for a total of sixteen hours. No one hears a word I say. I am constantly rejected without any concession for absolute value of scripture. I have been called names. I have been ridiculed. I have been insulted. All these things have added up to a rather sour disposition that is nothing of the man I usually am. I'm angry at being treated so disrespectfully, and I resent it. Again, I'm sorry that I'm harsh with you. I'm not a happy camper right now with all the flak I'm getting over a simple post. Ancient |
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5 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | tgc | 127359 | ||
Ancient, I can only imagine how you are feeling after yesterday. I tried to follow the thread through the day yesterday and still have a headache. However I wish to offer you this to think on. I know you have been beat to death with the verse Forsake not the assembling of the brothers. But with that verse in mind think about the following. If assembling together or going to church is not a command then why is this verse in the Bible also the following passages would tend to backup the idael that this is a command. For example if not a command why would Paul spend so much effort in his letters to the Corinthians about the order of the services? Why would Paul spend the time and effort in both Timothy and Titus laying out the make up of church leadership? Why would scripture be so replete with instruction for the unity of the church? Why did Paul go around starting new churches and training men to lead them? Why the seven letters to the seven churches in the book of Revelation? These are just some questions to think on. I want you to know that I also have seen the kinds of things you talk about in your post and to be frank it makes me sick. But this does not change what God has written in His Word. As a matter of fact God in His Word has told us this day would come, read the book of Jude. Because somethings are wrong in the church we do not give up on it. fter years of serving in a quote traditional church God put on my heart a passion for church planting or being a part of starting new works. After this He gave me the opportunity. I really belive that this was a response to prayer. I now worship with a group of people who are really seeking to serve God and do His will. Our slogan is Real Relationships, Real Issues, Real Hope. Our mission statement" We exist to Glorify the Father by being a Fire That consumes the World woth the Love Of Jesus Christ, by sharing love with people who need help." The reason I share that part with you is to try to restore in you a hope. God is working through His church even though apostates have slipped in.and as I have said this did not take him by suprise. My brother take heart and give heed to God's Word. In The Love Of Christ, tgc |
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6 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127365 | ||
tgc Excellent word and a fantastic mission statement. May God's richest blessings be upon you and this new work. My prayer is Ancient will one either change his opinion or at least stop promoting it before the babes and young in Christ that so often visit us here on the forum. Just what we need a person that claims to be a Christian telling them they don't have to do to church and even worst blaming the church for the sins of unrighteous men. EdB |
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7 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Stultis the Fool | 127419 | ||
EdB, I wish "God's richest blessings" upon all men, even my enemies; not just on people I agree with. | ||||||
8 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127437 | ||
2 John verses 10 and 11 | ||||||
9 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Stultis the Fool | 127452 | ||
2 John 5 and 6, 1 John 3:23, 1 John 4:6, 1 John 4:7, 1 John 4:8, John 3:16 | ||||||