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1 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Ancient | 127278 | ||
Okay Ed, I'm going to be open minded and give you the opportunity to instruct me. This is a genuine offer of meekness. Please answer or expound on the following: 1) As God is the same yesterday today and forever, and God's methodology in instituting commandments is always quite detailed, should this not be the case in the New Testament as well? 2) If the Hebrews passage is a commandment, what are the specific parameters of this commandment? How often? Where? How many people should be attending? What day does this passage prescribe? 3) If Hebrews does not have parameters to follow, then is it really a commandment, according to the examples given in the past of God's lawmaking? How are we supposed to follow when we aren't told how? Or shall we just decide on our own what the parameters should be? 4) In what way do you consider love, being all encompassing, to have potential for failure when Corinthians says that love never fails? 5) What thing that I have said has given you the impression that we should love only in word, doing anything else however we please, as opposed to loving in deed and truth, as described in Corinthians? 6) If all commandments we have are summed up by love, are derived from love, and are fulfilled by love, then what commandments do you suggest do not fall within these parameters without contradicting scripture? 7) If love is once again the fulfillment of the law and from where the law is derived, then in what way does attendance at a church building adhere to this commandment or exhortation in Hebrews that cannot also be adhered to through a Bible study of five or six people? 8) Jesus said that where two or three are gathered in his name, he is there in their midst. At what point did two or three gathered become inadequate in favor of a church congregation? 9) With our present availability to as many as twenty bible translations, interlinear bibles, concordances, online websites, history books, a voice of our own to raise in song, radios to sing along to, homes to gather together, and dozens of commentaries and other books on various topics ... what thing can we not accomplish at our home that can only be accomplished at church? 10) What thing makes you believe that going to church is a commandment when loving your neighbor, in truth not word, fulfills the law regardless of going to church? Let us start here. If you respond with a bit of humility instead of insults, I will continue to discuss this. If you respond with more name calling or "you don't know what you're talking about" comments, then I will put this topic to rest unresolved. Whether or not I receive the instruction you wish to give will be entirely dependent upon your ability to behave like a Christian. Fair enough? Ancient |
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2 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Emmaus | 127292 | ||
The Body of Christ is the Church, which means Assembly from the Greek Eklesia. How can one be in Christ and not be in the Assembly, which we are told not to forsake, for the obvious reason that we would be forsaking the Body of Christ? 1 Cor 12 is all about the parts of the Body of Christ. Is not the body together and connected? Can a family thrive or even survive as a real family if the husband and the wife and the children do not come together but are merely ships passing in the night or ships entering and leaving the port at different times? This seems so obvious even in the natural, let alone the examples in the scripture and the consatnt practice of the Church from the time of Jesus and his disciples. It is plain common sense, whether an explicit law or not. Where I come from it is also Church law. Emmaus |
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3 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Ancient | 127298 | ||
Hey Emmaus, You always post good things, with good sound judgment. I don't disagree with what you're saying. I never did. I think it is a good idea to go to church. My argument has never been that you should not go, but that it is not a commandment. If you make it a law, you put yourself under the law, sin is identified, it revives, and you die. Also, as you say, the Body of Christ is the Church. We, the living members, are all the building stones of the house of God, built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, Jesus Christ being the chief cornerstone. Jesus said that where two or three are gathered, there he is in their midst. My real question concerning church and commandment is, when did the fellowship of two or three become inadequate? Why does someone now need a preacher and a full congregation of worshippers instead of just two or three together? Aside from the statement of Jesus, we do not otherwise have any parameters to this "command" to go to church. An assembling, in my estimation by scripture, need not consist of any more than two. Again, going to church is good, but I see no reason to make it a command until your lack of attendance starts to bring harm to others. Ancient |
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4 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Emmaus | 127305 | ||
Even Jesus called 12 and 10 men is the minimum for a the Jewish congregation. I never recall two people being described as congregating or being decribed as congregation. This all sounds like an authority issue to me. I gather you wish to be the authority, at least as far as yourself is concerned. Personally, that inclination has always led me into trouble. As I recall Jesus did establish a hierarchy in his Church. I have never trusted a man in authority who did not recognize and obey the authority above him. I trust even less a man who does not want to recognize any authority over him. In the civil community the prisons are full of such. I have visited friends there. And those who haven't found there way there yet create mischief and trouble in the community until they do. There are spiritual analogies to be drawn from this. But I see no promising future to your line of reasoning. For me. It does not pass the test of common sense. Kind of like the "victimless crime" argument, which is an oxymoron. Emmaus |
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5 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Ancient | 127314 | ||
Emmaus, Jesus is the one that said "two or three gathered," and that "He would be in their midst." The Jewish congregation, is the Jewish congregation, not the Christian congregation. The 12 people called, is recognized by many as pertaining to one "disicple" for each of the tribes of Israel. As for heirarchy and authority, Jesus said to call no man "Master," for one is our master, even God our Father. I think you are splitting hairs with me at this point. Ancient |
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