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1 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Ancient | 127287 | ||
EdB, This discussion must begin with you properly addressing my questions. If you can't do that adequately, then there is no need to continue. Please address them in a competent fashion. You are correct in saying that I don't really care about orthodox Christianity. Being age old tradition doesn't make it right. The scriptures say what they say, and tradition is wrong on many points. I see something many don't see. Maybe that makes me wrong. Maybe that makes me special. Who knows which. Answer my questions properly, credibly, competently, and objectively, and we will continue from there. I'm not otherwise going to address anything else regarding this topic. Ancient |
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2 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127299 | ||
Ancient First you asked questions to bring the discussion to the point you want to arrive at, for me or anyone else to play into that is very unwise. Your questions also are asked in such a way that any answer than the one you want makes me look the buffoon and I’m sure you have already thought up your responses should I answer the way you anticipate. Let me just ask you something, doesn’t this following statement even make you think there might be a problem in the ideas you arrive at? Your statement, “You are correct in saying that I don't really care about orthodox Christianity. Being age old tradition doesn't make it right. The scriptures say what they say, and tradition is wrong on many points. I see something many don't see. Maybe that makes me wrong. Maybe that makes me special. Who knows which.” Then you threaten unless I play on your terms your not going to discuss this anymore. What about the terms of this forum. You have said church attendance is optional, I’m glad our forefathers thought different or I’m afraid there wouldn’t be a church today. You have laid rape, murder and mayhem not on corrupt men within the church but rather on the church itself. And you have presented a case where unless God states a commandment in New Testament using the same format as He used in the Old Testament it is really not a commandment but rather mere advice which then can be heeded or dismissed as the reader chooses. Sir I state these actions violate the rules of this fourm and are an insult to every Christian EdB |
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3 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Ancient | 127303 | ||
So what you're saying, Ed, is that you cannot answer my questions because you are well aware of what the correct answers conclude. You THINK I'm trying to make a buffoon of you, but I'm asking reasonable questions that have answers you are plainly aware of, else you would not be wary of answering. Do YOU think that this is not showing a blatant unwillingness to be wrong and concede? Do you want to teach me or not? You are being given the opportunity. Are you going to take it, or are you going to continue to play this game of pointing fingers at me and avoiding the questions? As for my statement, I think the statement is pretty self explanatory. Just because something has "always been that way" does mean it's right. People used to think the world was flat, and the "orthodox" "Christians" tortured, maimed, and murdered those that refused to adhere to the "orthodox" teaching of the church. Long standing tradition doesn't make it correct. People have and do make mistakes, as they eventually discovered when Columbus discovered the New World. I have seen (though not by me personally) a number of orthodox views argued on this forum, and torn to pieces by people with sound scripture that made the doctrine so full of holes, it looked like a wheel of swiss by the time it was over. And with their wonderful pride, they shut up and don't respond to the final questions that drive home the final nail. I think my statement is appropriate. If you want to be a robot, have at it. The Lord is my teacher, not man, and the scriptures say what they say. Half of what I came up with was arrived at before learning orthodox doctrines. Upon hearing those orthodox doctrines and seeing what they were made of, I knew the holes immediately. Now, you're right about requiring you to play on my terms. This is not about your opinion, and brow beating me into compliance. We will discuss this topic according to all available evidence, and explore it objectively, or we are doing nothing more than discussing your opinion. So answer the questions, drop the subject, or concede. Now, your comments about the "rape, murder, and mayhem" is not laid on the "church" as in the "living body of Christ," but is laid at the feet of orthodox doctrines of the various centuries. Reread my posts if you didn't understand this to be my statement. Ancient |
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4 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127311 | ||
Ancient If someone asks the question, "are you stll beating you wife?" What do you answer? No, oh then you once did beat your wife but you have now stopped. Or yes and make yourself out as an abuser. This is the same type of question you asked. If I say no I'm wrong and if I say yes I'm wrong. Do you really think that proves anything? Do you think that is being objective? I really don't care to teach you I just want you not to lead others down your path. Ancient you said, "... "orthodox" "Christians" tortured, maimed, and murdered those that refused to adhere to the "orthodox" teaching of the church. I say no that wasn't orthodox Chrsitians I say it was men that claimed to be God service but had nothing to do with Him. The rest of the chruch thought so also. Perhaps you need to more on church history. Now I'm a robot because I accept the teaching of the church fathers? Who do you believe? Only yourself? You said, "Half of what I came up with was arrived at before learning orthodox doctrines. Upon hearing those orthodox doctrines and seeing what they were made of, I knew the holes immediately." I think your proving my point here. You say, "Now, you're right about requiring you to play on my terms. This is not about your opinion, and brow beating me into compliance. We will discuss this topic according to all available evidence, and explore it objectively, or we are doing nothing more than discussing your opinion. So answer the questions, drop the subject, or concede." I say no you won't discuss this considering the all evidence you dismiss the evidence you don't like. Mocking it calling it being a robot etc. EdB |
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