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1 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Ancient | 127258 | ||
Go away EdB. You are harrassing me. Ancient |
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2 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127270 | ||
Ancient Am I harassing you or demonstating how your doctrine does not conform to New Testament teaching? If it is harrassment I apologize. If it is correcting incorrect teaching I say that is what every Christian is called to do. EdB |
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3 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Ancient | 127274 | ||
Ed, you are assuming that you are correct, and I am incorrect. I see what you say, and why you say it. I am absolutely certain that you have not considered my words above a casual thought. In my three long posts, I said something very important that you cannot disagree with, and yet you try to disagree with it without addressing it. You are not, and have not, given my words fair consideration. As far as I'm concerned, when I told you I disagreed with you, demonstrated why, and asked not to discuss this, you chased after me. This is harrassment, not instruction. Are you so full of yourself as to believe that you are the only one in this discussion that might have a valid point? If you think going to church is a command, then go to church, don't ever miss it, else you make yourself a murderer, and otherwise leave me be. My conscience is not judged by you or anyone else. If you want to hear what I have said and weigh it properly for application, attempt to see what I have said and why, perhaps we can discuss this topic. But so long as you are calling me heretical, atheistic, humanistic, and all the other name-calling insults, I see no reason to discuss either this topic or any other. Ancient |
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4 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127280 | ||
Ancient I have never called you atheistic, a humanist nor heretical. I have said you are parroting their favorite line and I wonder why? Once again I do not think you will go to hell if you don't go to church. And I certainly won't put someone that misses church in the same class as a murder. However I do see us be told we should attend church. I see the law not as something that will decide my eternity but rather as a standard to live by. Somehow that concept seems to get lost on you. You either want to ignore the Law or say our salvation hinges on the Law. I say it is neither. Our trust and belief in Jesus Christ assures our eternity. However the Law or whatever you want to call it, I call it the entire Bible is to give us guidance by which to live by. Do we have to go to church? Yes we do. Will it effect our salvation? It may but not directly however by staying out of church we can turn from God. That brings me to the real point of my discussion, I do not believe an honest born again believer would stay out of church, nor do I believe they would excuse others from doing so. As a true Christian our attitude should be as expressed in Psalm 122:1 I was glad when they said to me, "Let us go into the house of the Lord." Your attitude on this disturbs me . You blame the church and Christianity for things that any true believer would know are simply not true. You say I chase after you. I say I follow after you correcting your incorrect teaching. You say I’m assuming I’m right no that is not it at all. I stand on orthodoxy and what the church fathers down through the ages have said is right. It has nothing to do with me or you. We are discussing basic precepts of Christianity and is one of those precepts church attendance or not. I say it is, and I stand in the company of many others that agree. You say church attendance is optional and the admonishments considered by many as basic church precepts are really misinterpretations and that there is no direction given in the New Testament on this account. To me that prideful to the point of saying everyone else is wrong and you and you alone have the handle on the truth. You say I’m full of myself, how by standing on age old doctrine? I fail to see you point EdB |
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5 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Ancient | 127287 | ||
EdB, This discussion must begin with you properly addressing my questions. If you can't do that adequately, then there is no need to continue. Please address them in a competent fashion. You are correct in saying that I don't really care about orthodox Christianity. Being age old tradition doesn't make it right. The scriptures say what they say, and tradition is wrong on many points. I see something many don't see. Maybe that makes me wrong. Maybe that makes me special. Who knows which. Answer my questions properly, credibly, competently, and objectively, and we will continue from there. I'm not otherwise going to address anything else regarding this topic. Ancient |
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6 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127299 | ||
Ancient First you asked questions to bring the discussion to the point you want to arrive at, for me or anyone else to play into that is very unwise. Your questions also are asked in such a way that any answer than the one you want makes me look the buffoon and I’m sure you have already thought up your responses should I answer the way you anticipate. Let me just ask you something, doesn’t this following statement even make you think there might be a problem in the ideas you arrive at? Your statement, “You are correct in saying that I don't really care about orthodox Christianity. Being age old tradition doesn't make it right. The scriptures say what they say, and tradition is wrong on many points. I see something many don't see. Maybe that makes me wrong. Maybe that makes me special. Who knows which.” Then you threaten unless I play on your terms your not going to discuss this anymore. What about the terms of this forum. You have said church attendance is optional, I’m glad our forefathers thought different or I’m afraid there wouldn’t be a church today. You have laid rape, murder and mayhem not on corrupt men within the church but rather on the church itself. And you have presented a case where unless God states a commandment in New Testament using the same format as He used in the Old Testament it is really not a commandment but rather mere advice which then can be heeded or dismissed as the reader chooses. Sir I state these actions violate the rules of this fourm and are an insult to every Christian EdB |
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7 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Ancient | 127303 | ||
So what you're saying, Ed, is that you cannot answer my questions because you are well aware of what the correct answers conclude. You THINK I'm trying to make a buffoon of you, but I'm asking reasonable questions that have answers you are plainly aware of, else you would not be wary of answering. Do YOU think that this is not showing a blatant unwillingness to be wrong and concede? Do you want to teach me or not? You are being given the opportunity. Are you going to take it, or are you going to continue to play this game of pointing fingers at me and avoiding the questions? As for my statement, I think the statement is pretty self explanatory. Just because something has "always been that way" does mean it's right. People used to think the world was flat, and the "orthodox" "Christians" tortured, maimed, and murdered those that refused to adhere to the "orthodox" teaching of the church. Long standing tradition doesn't make it correct. People have and do make mistakes, as they eventually discovered when Columbus discovered the New World. I have seen (though not by me personally) a number of orthodox views argued on this forum, and torn to pieces by people with sound scripture that made the doctrine so full of holes, it looked like a wheel of swiss by the time it was over. And with their wonderful pride, they shut up and don't respond to the final questions that drive home the final nail. I think my statement is appropriate. If you want to be a robot, have at it. The Lord is my teacher, not man, and the scriptures say what they say. Half of what I came up with was arrived at before learning orthodox doctrines. Upon hearing those orthodox doctrines and seeing what they were made of, I knew the holes immediately. Now, you're right about requiring you to play on my terms. This is not about your opinion, and brow beating me into compliance. We will discuss this topic according to all available evidence, and explore it objectively, or we are doing nothing more than discussing your opinion. So answer the questions, drop the subject, or concede. Now, your comments about the "rape, murder, and mayhem" is not laid on the "church" as in the "living body of Christ," but is laid at the feet of orthodox doctrines of the various centuries. Reread my posts if you didn't understand this to be my statement. Ancient |
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8 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127311 | ||
Ancient If someone asks the question, "are you stll beating you wife?" What do you answer? No, oh then you once did beat your wife but you have now stopped. Or yes and make yourself out as an abuser. This is the same type of question you asked. If I say no I'm wrong and if I say yes I'm wrong. Do you really think that proves anything? Do you think that is being objective? I really don't care to teach you I just want you not to lead others down your path. Ancient you said, "... "orthodox" "Christians" tortured, maimed, and murdered those that refused to adhere to the "orthodox" teaching of the church. I say no that wasn't orthodox Chrsitians I say it was men that claimed to be God service but had nothing to do with Him. The rest of the chruch thought so also. Perhaps you need to more on church history. Now I'm a robot because I accept the teaching of the church fathers? Who do you believe? Only yourself? You said, "Half of what I came up with was arrived at before learning orthodox doctrines. Upon hearing those orthodox doctrines and seeing what they were made of, I knew the holes immediately." I think your proving my point here. You say, "Now, you're right about requiring you to play on my terms. This is not about your opinion, and brow beating me into compliance. We will discuss this topic according to all available evidence, and explore it objectively, or we are doing nothing more than discussing your opinion. So answer the questions, drop the subject, or concede." I say no you won't discuss this considering the all evidence you dismiss the evidence you don't like. Mocking it calling it being a robot etc. EdB |
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