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1 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Ancient | 127174 | ||
EdB, (Continued from previous post. Please read both of the previous posts to get full context of this one ...) According to even these few pieces of scripture, it is clearly evident that loving your neighbor as yourself does the following: It completes, measures up to, carries out, and satisfies the Law, causes you to walk in the light, takes away any cause for stumbling, and you do well by keeping the law in this way. Additionally, it should be noted [1 Tim 1:5 But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.] To summarize: Love is where the law comes from. Love is the master the law serves. Love is the contingency upon which it has its existence. Love summarizes the law. Love is the commandment given to the Apostles. Love completes the law, measures up to the law, carries out the law, and satisfies the law. Love causes you to walk in the light. Love takes away any cause for stumbling in you. You do well by keeping the law by means of love. The goal of their instruction was love. Some people gloss over the word love. For whatever reason, they see it and miss it at the same time. Love is not a byproduct of being righteous and keeping the law. The law is a byproduct of man's inherent desire to hate. Love is primary, not secondary. So keeping the law is done by loving your neighbor as yourself. If you do this thing, you will not stumble. Transgressing the law, by contextual definition, would be to fail to love your neighbor as yourself. Going to church, except it be for the purpose of brotherly love, which it sometimes can in fact be, is not a commandment by the standard of the New Testament. If my absence causes someone to be hurt, then I am wrong and should be attending, but I am hurting no one, I can worship God right here in the comfort of my home. Now, back to my original post ... I disagree with you. I don't want to discuss this. Thank you. Ancient |
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2 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127198 | ||
Ancient Your right we don't have to do a thing just do anything we want, live anyway we want and say anything we want and God because we have a head knowledge of Christ calls us his children. Particularly if we love everyone. Isn't that exactly what John Lennon was saying when he sang, 'All you need is love'. I think he also wanted to pretend there wasn't a heaven nor a hell. I guess we should just ignore Paul here also Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And this one 1 Peter 1:15-16 but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, [16] because it is written, "Be holy, for I am holy." No I think we are called to follow more than just love although everything is encompassed in love. We are expected to be Holy in conduct and worship God in spirit and in truth and not to forsake assembling together. Call it anything you want that is what scripture says. Oh yes I know that is just advice not an admonishment of the truth. I can see why you don’t want to discuss this. It exposes the roots of your theology. EdB |
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3 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Ancient | 127211 | ||
You know EdB, you are trying my patience. I did not say, "Just do anything we want, live any way we want, and say anything we want." Did you even read my posts? You are putting words in my mouth, and nothing I posted even remotely suggested such a thing. I insist that you reread them and take time to carefully and fairly evaluate the information. As far as "All you need is love," this is absolutely correct. I substantiated this fact with three pages of post, carefully thought out, and backed up with plain scripture that requires no interpretation. What you are mistaking me for saying is that we should just say we are loving each other, and otherwise do what we want. This is not what I said. I said that we should love in deed and in truth. Romans 12:1 does not defy what I said. If you read verses 2-21, which defines "presenting our bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God," it conforms completely to the practice of brotherly love. Neither does 1 Peter 1:15-16 defy what I have said. Being "holy" in your conduct is to keep the commandment of Christ (i.e. Love each other as I have loved you). Such a person will not steal, murder, adulterate, bear false witness, or violate any other commandment. Now let me address this other statement: "No I think we are called to follow more than just love although everything is encompassed in love." This is absolutely ambiguous. "We have to follow more than love, but everything is encompassed in love." If everything is encompassed in love, then what, pray tell, do we need to follow that is more than love? In your hasty attempt to refute me, you are contradicting yourself. Now, this statement: "Oh yes I know that is just advice not an admonishment of the truth. I can see why you don’t want to discuss this. It exposes the roots of your theology." You are just being rude. THIS is why I didn't want to discuss this with you. I prefer to plant seed in fertile ground, not dash it against a wall. I want you to know that I spent hours trying to give you a sound response, scripturally sound, and complete in explanation. As far as I can tell, you read it, got the point (as you have demonstrated with your condescending John Lennon example), verified the truth of it (although everything is encompassed in love) because you would have to defy plain scripture to deny it. Then you dismissed it all with a wave of the hand because I can't possibly be right, even though you can't refute what I said without contradicting plain scripture, which is evident, else you wouldn't have contradicted yourself. Now, as a matter of scriptural truth, I challenge you to provide at least one other clear scriptural statement regarding going to church. You and I are in disagreement about the interpretation of Hebrews 10:25. I say it is an exhortation to do this thing that we may provoke one another to love and good works. You say it is a commandment to go to church. My interpretation adheres to the doctrine of Christ, and that being love one another as he loved us. Your interpretation puts us under the law and revives sin. We will not agree on this passage. Since a matter is established by two or three witnesses (for the sake of space, I'll leave out the quotes, but will happily provide them if you require), I ask that you provide another witness to this command. I can provide as many as twenty witnesses to verify that love is all that is required. If your "command" is credible, show me. Show me, and I will listen, acknowledge, adhere, and admit you are right. Ancient |
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4 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127246 | ||
Ancient First a comment by John MacArthur on your theologically sound teaching. Hebrews 10:25 not forsaking the assembling. Collective and corporate worship is a vital part of spiritual life. The warning here is against apostasy in an eschatological context (cf. 2 Thess. 2:1). The reference is to the approaching “Day” (the second coming of Christ; cf. Rom. 13:12; 1 Cor. 3:13; 1 Thess. 5:4). exhorting. Exhortation takes the form of encouragement, comfort, warning, or strengthening. There is an eschatological urgency to the exhortation which requires an increased activity as the coming of Christ approaches (cf. 3:13; cf. 1 Thess. 4:18). MacArthur, J. J. (1997, c1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed.) (Heb 10:25-26). Nashville: Word Pub. Now your witnesses by example Matthew 12:9 Mark 1:21 Mark 3:1 Luke 4:15-16 Luke 6:6 Acts 13:14 Acts 17:2 Acts 17:10 Now the reasons for attending Exodus 23:17 Deuteronomy 12:5 Deuteronomy 16:16 2 Samuel 12:20 2 Kings 19:1 2 Kings 19:14 2 Kings 23:2 2 Chronicles 20:28 2 Chronicles 29:20 2 Chronicles 30:8 2 Chronicles 34:30 Psalm 5:7 Psalm 23:6 Psalm 42:4 Psalm 55:14 Psalm 66:13 Psalm 73:17 Psalm 84:4 Psalm 96:8 Psalm 100:4 Psalm 116:19 Psalm 122:4 Ecclesiastes 5:1 Isaiah 1:12 Isaiah 37:1 Isaiah 37:14 Isaiah 38:20 Jeremiah 26:7 Jeremiah 31:6 Micah 4:2 Luke 2:27 Luke 2:36-37 Luke 4:16 Luke 18:10 Luke 24:52-53 John 5:14 John 7:14 Acts 2:46 Acts 3:1 The Divine Command (I know it is Old Testament and you have that ripped out of your Bible since we are free of it.) Deuteronomy 12:5 Deuteronomy 16:16 Wow would you look at that there are even blessings in attending church Psalm 84:4 Psalm 122:4 Church a place of refuge from the worries of this world Isaiah 37:1 Isaiah 37:14 A place of instruction and learning but only for those that listen. Micah 4:2 Some liked church so much they never left Luke 2:36-37 Even Jesus went to church I know even though it was just a custom of Jesus we shouldn't burden ourselves with trying to follow what He did. We might become legalistic. How wrong Paul was when said imitate me as imitate Christ. Luke 4:16 Luke 18:10 Even thought he disciples followed Jesus' example we have to be careful not to do the same it might become a law and we are free from the law. Luke 24:52-53 Acts 2:46 Acts 3:1 I agree love is the important and integral part of a Christians walk but throwing every other doctrine, admonishment, “advice”, sound counsel aside in the name of freedom from the law is nonsense. We have been called to holiness, to follow Christ. These doctrines, examples, “advice”, commandments were given for our direction. While your right in the most technical of terms they are not commands, however they are far too important to our walk in Christ for us to ignore them or try to explain them away. EdB |
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5 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Ancient | 127250 | ||
EdB ... You see this: "I know it is Old Testament and you have that ripped out of your Bible since we are free of it." Because of this sort of nonsense, I will not address one letter of your response, nor read the rest of what you wrote, nor look up anything you quoted. I have asked you repeatedly to stop being rude and insulting. Since you can't respect that and show a hint of meekness, your efforts are wasted. Try me again without the insults, mockery, and condescending remarks. You might get somewhere. Good day. Ancient |
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6 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | EdB | 127253 | ||
Ancient I insulted you???? What about this statement you made, "Christianity over the course of the last 2000 years is also responsible for the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, the Salem Witch Trials, The Papacy, Confessionals, Indulgences, and many other horrible things. Just because they taught it doesn't mean they taught the right thing. Orthodox Christianity has murdered, stolen, molested, raped, falsely accused, tortured, and enslaved." As a Christian that is far more insulting to me than anything I have could have ever said to you. Your basically saying Christianity advocates murder, rape, pillage and mayhem. That is an insult to every Christian, to every church, to every Bible believing person that has, is or will ever live. There have been 75 million Christians slaughtered because they believed in Christ, and hundred millions more enslaved and abused. For you to say what you did is insult to everyone of them. It is also an insult to think the readers of this forum are so ignorant of the truth that they would believe such outlandish nonsense. Frankly it sounds just like a sound byte taken from Atheists Unite. |
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7 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Stultis the Fool | 127256 | ||
I have posted this in several places to make sure it adequately addresses the problem at hand. EdB... Speaking as someone who was viewing this thread from afar.... I see Ancient has stopped replying to you because of the brashness of your words and their intentional isulting qualities. I can see by this post that your personal crusade to ridicule him has not been assuaged. I am not yet tried in my patience, so I will respond to you on his behalf because you have hounded him to weakness. You are accusatory, your opinions and judgement and condemnation are completely unfounded. You are debating him... or should I say baiting him, specifically for the purpose of strife. For this reason you are become the burning tongue of fire. He has pleaded with you to refrain from your attacks, and you have instead intensified your pursuit of him. Christ tells us we will know a vine by its fruits. I should sincerely hope that the wrotten fruit you are hurling is something you picked up from the ground, and not at all the culmination of the flower of your faith. I should have this hope because while there is life, there is hope. However, I am not so naive, and I recognize that you refuse to concede one inch to his obvious logic, despite the scripture he most accurately quotes, despite his genuine attitude of love for those to whom he writes (even you), despite the fact that the wisdom he subscribes to is easily entreated, despite the fact that the wisdom he subscribes to is sound and without hypocracy, and despite the fact that he is BEGGING you to stop being a stumbling block before him. EdB, I will conclude my thoughts above with your own words: "I think that clearly shows there is something fundamentally amiss in this person." |
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