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1 | response | Rom 1:18 | userdoe220 | 20483 | ||
I am just answering your question, "How can I say to a person that God has a wonderful plan for their life?" It is simple...If they bow their knee to the Lordship of Christ, God will unfold a wonderful plan for their life--Salvation! I agree with every passage you qouted, but yet none of the above passages prove the micr-management of God's creation. Lets look at each of them in context. Matt 10:29...Sure God knows when 2 sparrows are sold for a cent, but that doesn't mean God decreed the selling of those sparrows from the beginning of eternity or controlled/bartered the price of them. This whole passage, in context, is Jesus instructing us that God knows what we are going through--he is not ambivous to our troubles. Luke 12:6,7 Same point as above different book. God cares for his children and is worried about their welfare--John Calvin would say that this passage is "Anthropormorphic". This is a passage of how God cares for his children! This does not mean that God has pre-determined the catastrophes that have fallen upon man from the beginning of time! That we are acting out the great cosmic script created from the beginning of eternity. As far as your O.T. reference goes, Sure, if a nation willingly chooses to reject God's plan, in the O.T. judgement will follow! Look at the prophetic passages Jeremiah, Hosea, Jonah etc., the sole responsibility of judgemnt and judgement sustained is placed on the offenders not some eternal script the nationis acting out hiding under the mis-understood doctrine of Soveriegnty (God did not pre determine that Israel would sin and be dispersed in 7xx bc. They of their own free will chose to reject God, therefore God acted upon what he told them would happent in Dt. 28 and 29). The passages you used above have nothing to do with soverignty as you understand it. It has everything to do with God's knowledge--and I will dare to say affection--for his children. It does not mean he will magically remove us from the situation and get us out of the probelm--although he has done that--but it does mean that he will be there with us emphathizing with us through the problems we face in life. Finally, I would agree with you that God can have a specific plan for a particular individual--Judas Iscariot comes to mind. But that does not mean that God dictated every event of Judas' life and neither does he dictate every event of our life. I know poeple who have felt that God had called them to the mission field. I believe that is a divine plan from God. However, God has not dictated how they perform ministry in that Country. I don't think in God's cosmic script in the sky created before time that he said "on Dec 24, 1999 they are going to do this skit and...Yeah! lets only have 2 families show up. That should teach them a valuable lesson on humilty." End scene 54 act 2. |
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2 | response | Rom 1:18 | Reformer Joe | 20529 | ||
"The mind of man plans his way, But the LORD directs his steps." --Proverbs 16:9 "Many plans are in a man's heart, But the counsel of the LORD will stand." --Proverbs 19:21 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, 'MY PURPOSE SHALL BE ESTABLISHED, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure'" --Isaiah 46:10 "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, WHICH GOD PREPARED BEFOREHAND so that we would walk in them." --Ephesians 2:10 "As for you, you meant evil against me, but GOD MEANT IT for good in order to bring about this present result, to preserve many people alive." --Genesis 50:20 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations" --Jeremiah 1:5 "Therefore, come now, and I will send you to Pharaoh, so that you may bring My people, the sons of Israel, out of Egypt." --Exodus 3:10 The LORD said to Moses, "When you go back to Egypt see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders which I have put in your power; but I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go. --Exodus 4:21 But I will harden Pharaoh's heart that I may multiply My signs and My wonders in the land of Egypt. --Exodus 7:3 [Do a Bible search for the words "harden" and "heart" and see how many times Pharoahs heart was hardened BY God or hardened, "as the LORD had said."] "So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing WHAT I DESIRE, And without SUCEEDING IN THE MATTER FOR WHICH I SENT IT." --Isaiah 55:11 "So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires." --Romans 9:18 Whatever succeeds is part of God's sovereign plan. Even our sin. The sin is ours and we are guilty of it, but it is part of God's purpose as well. "And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose." --Romans 8:28 I would assume that all things includes the sins of men as well. HIS purpose, not ours. Unless, of course, we share in God's purpose. Then it is our purpose as well. Even the sin we commit is part of God's decree and what we intend for evil God has already planned to use for His glory. Even two families showing up... --Joe! |
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3 | response | Rom 1:18 | userdoe220 | 20550 | ||
You throw out passages many of which are taken out of context which means they are a proof text for you belief. This is the problem I have with Systamtic Theology: It usually starts off with an idea, pulls out the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, completly ignores the passage context and moves on to the next point he/she is trying to make. Is 46 will be answered in another post...In context. Rom 8:28. What is God's purpose in context? To be shaped and fashioned into the image of God. Not to fulfill some eternal decree where we act out some cosmic script in the sky. Please read teh remaining verses: verse 29. Whom he FOREKNEW (notice this comes first in Paul's mind), He also predestined (pre-determined something. What could that be?) to BE CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON (emphasis is obviously mine :-) It wasn't some cosmic script that he created before time to determine who would be saved and who wouldn't. He has pre-determined that each believer that he forknew would accept his plan would also be Christ-like! "So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing WHAT I DESIRE, And without SUCEEDING IN THE MATTER FOR WHICH I SENT IT." --Isaiah 55:11 Of course when God declare that Israel will be judged for forsaken the covenant It will come to pass. I have no problem with that at all. The problem I have is that Israel's rebellion wasn't written down in a cosmic play for them to act out before time began. The plan laid forth in the law was simple: You obey me and I will bless you...YOu disobey and I will judge you. That is far fetched from saying that God has micro-organzied every detail of our lives. Exodus events. Does not prove that God dictated every event of PHaroh's life just the event that he determined would happen--the Exodus! God prophesied to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that he would give them the promised land. In order for God to fulfill His purpose he would have to act in the affairs of man; However, it is a far stretch to say off of those passages that God orchestrates every minute detail of every persons life--even pharoh! I believe he moved on pharohs heart enough to fulfill his purposes and that is all. How can I word this? God has determined certain things to happen--Look at Bible Prophesy the Birth of Christ etc., in those circumstances, God will move in the affairs of men to ensure that his word will "Not return to me void (Is 55:11)." That does not mean he has scripted all of creation! To try to suggest such by using any of the above verses would do damage to the context of scripture. |
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4 | response | Rom 1:18 | Radioman | 20627 | ||
schwartzkm: In all sincerity, thank you for a very interesting post. However, I need clarification on something you wrote. Systamtic Theology. "Systamtic" is not a word that I am familiar with. Also, I could not find the word in the dictionary. Could you please define the word "Systamtic' in order to clarify your meaning. I won't know whether I agree or disagree with you until I know what the word means. Thank you. |
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5 | response | Rom 1:18 | userdoe220 | 20655 | ||
It was a typo. The word I meant to type but fat-fingered was "Systematic Theology." |
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