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1 | God's Plan? | Rom 1:18 | Reformer Joe | 20639 | ||
Johnny: Adam and Eve, being untainted by original sin, did have free choice. God also knew from the beginning what their choice would be, wouldn't you agree? Therefore, before even creating Adam and Eve, he had in mind His plan of redemption through Jesus Christ for their sin. God's warning for them meant that they knew what the deserved consequences of their action would be once they committed it. "Second I post the question that do you think Lucifer become God's opposer is also part of God's plan? Do you mean God created Lucifer so he will become the Devil? Please answer this!" We have two possible options here: 1. God created Lucifer, not knowing that he would rebel against Him. 2. God created Lucifer, knowing full well that he would rebel against Him. The decision was Lucifer's, but I cannot accept option 1 with an omniscient God. Can you? "If your answer is Yes! and then you have to accept that it is part of God's plan that to many souls will go to hell part of his plan. Answer this." I will let Paul answer for me: "Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath PREPARED for destruction?" --Romans 9:21-22 You wrote: "Do you think when Saul appopinted by God to become a king of Israel it God also oschestrated saul to become Bad so God can replace him and put David as a new king? What kind of God is that?" First of all, Saul didn't BECOME bad. We are all BORN bad. We do not come out of the womb morally neutral, but rather predisposed toward displeasing God in all that we do. And David was already part of the plan, yes. God revealed in Genesis that kings and the Redeemer would come out of the line of Judah. Read Genesis 49:8-10. Saul was of the tribe of Benjamin. Tell me what God's plan was. In addition, Saul was God's choice for king at that time in part to show the folly of Israel wanting a king in the first place. Read 1 Samuel 8. "Do you think it part of God's plan that kill people in flood in the time of Noah?" Whose plan was it if not God's? You wrote: "If all things happened because of God's plan all wars happen in this world God who the one oschestrated! I know war is part of Jesus prophecy in the bible, because He knows it going to happen but it is not mean that He is the one oschestrated it to happen." God does indeed orchestrate wars. God commanded Israel to wage war against the Canaanites in Joshua. Read the book of Jeremiah to see that God does indeed bring about war for His purposes. Read in particular verses like Jeremiah 16:10 and 18:8 and 18:11 amd 19:3 and 19:15 and 23:12. Who is bringing the calamity upon Judah? God. In what form? Invasion from Babylon. Does Babylon intend to serve God by invading Judah? Absolutely not, but their sinful act serves God's purposes. Finally, Johnny, with all due respect, you completely ignored evrything that I brought up in my previous post, most especially those passages from the Bible which clearly support my point. If I am wrong in my assessment of how God has revealed himsefl, please go back to thses verses that I brought up and explain to me how they are not saying what I think they are saying. In other words, what do they really mean? --Joe! |
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2 | Workout your own salvation | Rom 1:18 | jlpangilinan | 20651 | ||
Joe, So if your God is that kind of God, what is the purpose of the people trying to be GOOD? if God dictated anything? What we can do is just wait to die. Because anything you are going to do is useless, we no choices because when the person born it is oschestrated by God what will happen to this person. It is God who choses where our soul will go, either it is in hell or in heaven. I would like to ask you Joe, are going to church on Sunday or what day which you specify? If you tell me that you are did go to church, for what? Why you dont wait whats God's plan for you? Because according to your statement Gods know what will happen to you. So if you do bad or good it is useless, becuase it is God designed your life, and it is God who decide of where your soul will go. Ge 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me. Here in this passages, God tested the faith of Abraham, Why God tested the faith of Abraham if he knew it already? Just for fun? it is mentioned here:(for now I know that thou fearest God, I know that God has the power to know everything that He want to know, but I dont think He will try to know first the result of his test to Abraham before He do it, otherwise he is unfair God. Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. it is mentioned in php 2:12 work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Now why we have to workout for our own salvation if our life is designed already? What is the purpose of working out if the output will also the same? Meaning whether you do Good and Bad it is useless because it was designed already what the future of your soul is. Johnny |
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3 | Workout your own salvation | Rom 1:18 | heartfire | 20652 | ||
About that Abraham thing, God tested Abraham's faith so Abraham could progress from faith to faith and glory to glory. It's like impure gold, and you run it through fire to burn up the impurities. Of course, God already knew that Abraham could handle it. But if God had not done that, Abraham's faith would not have been strengthened. Well, let's say, after that experience, Abraham now knows that God will never go back on His promise, no matter what. And anyway, if God had not tested him, there would have been no future in which Abraham would have been obedient. So when it happened, Abraham's obedience was more or less proven, and the devil cannot accuse Abraham anymore. And as for not being able to choose anything, that's not true. God gave us all a free will. That's why there's such a thing as faith and doubt. |
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4 | Workout your own salvation | Rom 1:18 | stjones | 20658 | ||
Hi, Heartfire; I agree with all that you said about God's testing of Abraham; I would like to add to it. How many times have each of observed an act of faith or heroism and wondered if we would do the same? We would like to think we would, but we're not sure. I think God, knowing that Abraham would pass the test, wanted Abraham to know as well. This test allowed Abraham to see for himself the reservoir of faith and courage God had given him. The Bible doesn't record Abraham's emotions or inner thoughts, but surely this knowledge would only strengthen and encourage him. Peace and grace, Steve |
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