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1 | Ninevah did. | Rom 1:18 | Reformer Joe | 20525 | ||
Option B, with the exclusion of God "duping" Jonah. It was Jonah's prophecy (decreed by God) which was heard by Ninevah (decreed by God) that caused the city to repent (decreed by God). Any other option indicates that God was "taken by surprise" at Ninevah's repentance. Is God omniscient or not? From the human perspective, Ninevah was doomed. They repented, and God spared them. That is consistent with what we God said to Solomon: "If I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or if I command the locust to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among My people, and My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin and will heal their land." --2 Chronicles 7:14 All those who repent will be spared God's wrath. The question remains, however: to whom will God grant repentance? He did in the case of Ninevah. He didn't in the case of Noah's fellow humans. He didn't in the case of Judah. Although the call to repentance was given... "If you will return, O Israel," declares the LORD, "Then you should return to Me. And if you will put away your detested things from My presence, And will not waver, And you will swear, 'As the LORD lives,' In truth, in justice and in righteousness; Then the nations will bless themselves in Him, And in Him they will glory." --Jeremiah 3:1-2 ...it was acknowledged to Jeremiah that God's unchangeable purpose was to give them over to captivity: "You shall speak all these words to them, but they will not listen to you; and you shall call to them, but they will not answer you." --Jeremiah 7:27 He also goes so far to tell Jeremiah not even to pray for them (Jeremiah 7:16, 11:14, 14:11), because God has purposed in his heart to destroy the land. Repentance was called for, but would not be granted. Therefore, Ninevah was granted repentance, and Jonah's message was the external means by which God brought it about. --Joe! |
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2 | Ninevah did. | Rom 1:18 | userdoe220 | 20575 | ||
: c) In God's soveriegn plan, he has made us truly free to make the choices we will to make. God already knows what choices we will make--because he is omnisceint--but that does not mean he has scripted the choices we will make. Therefore, practically, there will be a choice a) and b) and God leaves it up to us to fulfill that choice (Look at Dt 28-29. God does give them two broad choices:life and death). Within those two broad categories can be many ways in which we live those two choices in our life--a myriad of possible options for us to choose from. God just happens to know which choices we will make therefore, nothing will take Him by suprise. Still not completly satisfied with that defintion which I am paraphrasing form Geisler's book Chosen but Free. This all boils down to the typical armenianist calvanist debate--Does God know because he has pre-orchestrated everything or does he know based off of his omniscience. I have read many different books on this subject from a Calvanistic perspective--can't find a modern armenianist who has published a book on this. I don't know about you but Armenius' work and Calvins' work has put me to sleep :-) on many different occasions-- I admit there are passages that are difficult to work into my position, but at least I admit that! The only Calvanist I have ever read that admits what I admit is Geisler in his book Chosen but Free. He admits that "my passages" that I use to back up my opinion make it very difficult for his position as well! That is something I did not find in books published by Charles Ryrie, Wayne Gruden, Zane Hodges on this subject. By the way, Joe, do you know of a book published by a person from an Armenianist perspective that hasn't been dead for 300 plus years? I must admit that I don't own one book on this subject, or commentary on these passages, by an Aremenianist. :-) Funny , Huh! I enjoy the dialoge with you and lionstrong. I am reminded of the passage, "Iron sharpens Iron" and feel you have def., through many posts, given me something to think about. |
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