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1 | E-Security only for true believers? | Matt 7:21 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 186929 | ||
Hank, Unless I am mistaken, "eternal security" is provided for those who are genuine believers. How can one be certain they are a genuine believer and thus certain that they are in possession of eternal security? I missed where the gotquestions' article covers this. |
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2 | E-Security only for true believers? | Matt 7:21 | ebrain | 186976 | ||
The persons refereed to at this verse, and the next, are not born again Christians. Please read both verses, and then read my comments which follow. Mat 7:22 "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' Mat 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' Firstly, no real genuine article born again Christian would dream of boasting of what they have done when they meet the Lord Jesus. Secondly Jesus said, "I never knew you", which means that He never entered into their body in the person of His other self, the Holy Spirit, therefore, this person was never a believer, despite what he says. Note, be very careful, just because a person has done many wonders in His name, that does not mean that he is the real thing, remember the Devil can appear like an angel of light. 2Cr 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 2Cr 11:14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 2Cr 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. Jesus is using the expression "knew you", in the Biblical sense, see Gen 4:1 NOW Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, "I have acquired a man from the LORD." See also, Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, Eph 1:14 who* is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. I hope that this is of help to you. ebrain |
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3 | E-Security only for true believers? | Matt 7:21 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 186986 | ||
ebrain, I did not say that Matt 7:21 referred to genuine Christians. I did say, "eternal security is provided for those who are genuine believers." |
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4 | E-Security only for true believers? | Matt 7:21 | ebrain | 187325 | ||
Hi Lookn4ward2Heaven. Thank you for your post. You said. "I did not say that Matt 7:21 referred to genuine Christians. I did say, "eternal security is provided for those who are genuine believers." I wholeheartedly agree with you, genuine believers are eternally secure. If you would like me to post a series of Bible verses that teach this, then please ask. ebrain. |
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5 | E-Security only for true believers? | Matt 7:21 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187369 | ||
I am not questioning whether or not genuine believers are eternally secure. My question is how does one know that they are saved in the first place or, in other words, how does one determine with infallible certainty that they are genuine believers? | ||||||
6 | E-Security only for true believers? | Matt 7:21 | ebrain | 187398 | ||
How does one know? I am sure you will have heard someone when giving their testimony say something like, "Before I became a Christian, I did from time to time open a Bible, but frankly, I just could not understand it,, it didn't seem to make any sense to me, but now that I have become a believer,, It is all together a totally different book". No it is not, it is exactly the same book that it always has been. It is you the reader who have changed, you are a "new creation", you have been "Born again", you are no longer the "natural man", referred to at . 1 Cor 2:14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. Or do you think that the Lord our God who has saved you is powerless to confirm to you the reality of your salvation? ebrain. |
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7 | E-Security only for true believers? | Matt 7:21 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187429 | ||
Before I became a believer, as I was reading the Bible, I came to understand many verses, which understanding I still hold to be true today as a Christian. | ||||||
8 | E-Security only for true believers? | Matt 7:21 | ebrain | 187445 | ||
You said. "Before I became a believer, as I was reading the Bible, I came to understand many verses, which understanding I still hold to be true today as a Christian". So, you claim to be a Christian.. Now let it be clearly understood that I am in no way saying that you are not, I have no right to pass such judgment, but if you are a Christian, then you will have no difficulty in answering your own questions as bellow. "The crux of my question is not “am I living and believing what Jesus was actually teaching”, but how does one know for certain that they are saved?" If as you say you are a Christian, then you must be saved, if so, then please tell me how you know for certain that you are saved? "I am discussing genuine faith itself. How does one know that the faith he professes to have in Christ is genuine so as to have obtained salvation?" Yes great, how do you know that your faith is genuine? "Therefore, the question still remains unanswered: How do I know for sure I am saved? Or, another way to put it, how can I be assured now that when I die God will take me?" Yes good question, how do you in fact know for sure that you are saved? ebrain. |
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9 | E-Security only for true believers? | Matt 7:21 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187807 | ||
I'll answer with two questions: Are not professing to be a Christian and assurance of final salvation two different things? Can one be a Christian and yet not have absolute and infallible assurance of final salvation? |
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10 | E-Security only for true believers? | Matt 7:21 | CDBJ | 187813 | ||
Hello L4w2h, The first part of your question covers a considerable amount of latitude, “Are not professing to be a Christian”. Now if you would have boiled that down to “true believers” in Jesus Christ it would have limit the playing field by about 80 percent. The true believer in Christ puts all of the responsibility for their eternal future in Jesus hands. Ephes. 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. And my favorite verses of Scripture. 1 John 5:10-13 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. Couple those verses, speaking of Jesus, with the following Ephes. 1:13-14 (NKJV) In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. As Paul uses the words, “now we know”; knowing that one is secure is the result of knowing the fact that the Lord is in control, because one is rightly divide the Word of truth; i.e. the result of the intake of Bible doctrine on a consistant basis. I “personally believe” that if I thought I could possibly loose my “promised salvation”, that I would be displaying or committing the epitome of personal arrogance. What could “I” be thinking if I thought there was even a single sin that I could possibly commit, after trusting in Jesus that God neglected consider when He poured out all of my sins on person of Jesus Christ and judged them in His unique Son? That’s like saying that I can do something that is smarter then God; which is absolutely ridiculous and teeters on the edge of blasphemy. This needs no response because in my thinking Jesus is the ultimate and there are no ifs ands or buts; Jesus paid it all! Please, please don’t even answer this just consider what was said since I refuse to debate it. Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. CDBJ |
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11 | E-Security only for true believers? | Matt 7:21 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187835 | ||
CDBJ, (1) It seems the belief is that there is no indication of who, among the professing, are genuine Christians. Therefore, I say "professing Christians", which assumes all who confess the name of Jesus, whether or not, in reality, they are true believers. This assumption seems to be the consistent judgment of the NT (at least, the epistles were written on the assumption that the churches or persons reading them were genuine believers). Also, that "Jesus is the ultimate and there are no ifs ands or buts; Jesus paid it all!" is not being challenged. (2) Ep 2:8; Jn 3:36. That salvation is by grace and God gives eternal life to believers are not being denied, and neither are these the questions being discussed here. (3) Jn 5:10-13. If one professes to believe this, what assurance is there that their profession is genuine, that is, how can they be certain that they are included in what the 20 percent (as you surmise) of true believers? In any case, since it is agreed we are not to pass judgment, we must assume "professing Christians" are genuine believers. However, then, let me rephrase the question: How can one who believes in Jesus know for certain that they are now saved with the result that they will never fall away? (4) That the "true believer in Christ puts all of the responsibility for their eternal future in Jesus hands" is not in question; the fact of one the one professing being a true believer is the question. (5) Unfortunately, it seems to me that your response misses the point of my question and offers answers that, while they may be true in themselves, do not address the issue. |
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