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1 | What is 'the fruit of the vine'? | Matt 26:29 | Tim Sheasby | 34787 | ||
Thanks for your comments here! The question I asked was not about drinking wine from day to day but about what Jesus used, and expects us to use, for the Lord's Supper. The problem, I believe, is that man has made a law (abstain) that God does not make. When grape juice was introduced it was introduced in such a way as to imply this is what Jesus used. Since then there have been men who have tried to prove this and in order to do so have stooped to misqouting historic references and rejecting the evidence of the Bible itself to try and prove that the wine Jesus made at Cana or the fruit of the vine he used for his supper were non-alcoholic. I personally went to the local Jewish library and checked these references for myself and found that the evidence actually points to the wine being not only fermented but quite well fermented. When objectors to wine have no valid arguments left they resort to sarcasm or personal attack. I sought definition for the phrase "the fruit of the vine" and the only evidence I found said it was wine. Most of my material was originally provided by Evelyn Mundell but I confirmed everything he quoted for myself. He has a huge thesis on this subject and over half of it deals specifically with objections. Again I went through these objections and found that they had no substance. Most were purely emotional "what about the poor alcoholics". I have also recently been communicating with a man by the name of Art Thompson and a friend of his, Bob West. Art has a website with the content of his book about the Lord's Supper that bears looking at -- http://216.71.136.180/studies/supper/tlstext.htm and http://216.71.136.180/studies/supper/tlsbiblio.htm I will be posting my friend Evelyn's book on the web soon and will encourage anyone looking for scholarly research to look at that. In His Service Tim Sheasby |
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2 | What is 'the fruit of the vine'? | Matt 26:29 | Morant61 | 34807 | ||
Greetings Tim! I checked out your friend's web sites, and I have two major compliants! 1) He only deals with two of the many words translated as 'wine' in the Bible. 2) He asserts that these words always refer to fermented wine, which is simply not true. If you refer back to the word studies I posted earlier on this topic, there are many words which are translated as 'wine'. Some alway mean a fermented drink. Some never mean a fermentated drink. The two words your friend highlights are two very generic terms which can either fermented or not. Your friend gets around this fact by catagorizing every occurances where they do not refer to fermented drinks as "figures of speech"! This is simply not honest word study. One must take into account all the uses of a word in determing it's meaning, not just the uses that support one's theory. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | What is 'the fruit of the vine'? | Matt 26:29 | Tim Sheasby | 35128 | ||
Tim, I will be posting the work of Evelyn Mundell on my personal website very soon. We are dealing with a major congregational problem right now and this has sadly affected our work adversely. There has been a young man sowing disention in the congregation and this has become a serious problem right now. After tonight, if the Lord wills, we will be able to post our research and demonstrate why we believe Jesus used wine for the Lord's Supper. I know that many will disagree with this research but I believe this will give a thorough and scholarly study for any that are interested. In His Service Tim Sheasby |
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4 | What is 'the fruit of the vine'? | Matt 26:29 | Morant61 | 35139 | ||
Greetings Tim! I know I'm looking forward to reading your work my friend! I pray that everything goes well with your congregation! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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