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NASB | Matthew 26:29 "But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Matthew 26:29 "But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom." |
Subject: What is 'the fruit of the vine'? |
Bible Note: Greetings Joe! If a word as more than one possible reasonable meaning, then why would those who say that it may refer to an unfermented substance be under more of a burden than those who assume that it refers to a fermented beverage? :-) This is my primary problem with the whole topic. We take one English word, which refers to an alcholic beverage, and say that all 15 words in Greek and Hebrew must mean the same thing! The word used is 'yayin' (03196). It is used 140 times in the Old Testament. One writer has estimated that it is used of a fermented substance about half the time, and not about half the time. Some examples where it used in contexts where it clearly cannot refer to alcohol are: Yayin: Is used in Jer. 40:10 to refer to the products of the harvest which are then to be placed in their vessels. Clearly, they could not be fermented until after they are placed in the vessels, they were freshly pressed. In Num. 6:4, the word refers to the vine itself. Notice the description of 'yayin' as including everything from the kernels to the husks. Is. 16:10 uses the word to refer to the juice in the press. These are just a few examples where the context clearly indicates that the word can refer to something other than alcohol. Believe me my friend, I am on no cursade to enforce one particular view. My primary concern is that we don't simply fall for the very large assumption that 15 different words always refer to alcohol. Concerning a prophibition against alcohol, is there any Biblical passage which commands us to drink? The assumption is made that since we are commanded to be drunkards that drinking in moderation is okay. However, there is no verse which specifically says that we should drink. Personally, I choose to not have anything to do with a substance that kills brain cells, causes one to lose control, is a toxin, and does absolutely nothing to enhance our service to or witness for Christ. If a brother or sister believes differently, that is between them and God. I just don't want to see those of us who have made the other decision to be classified as ignorant (not by you my friend). But, I have seen the comment many times, "Wine means wine", as if I were unaware of the 15 different words used in two separate languages which are translated by one English word! Well, I've got to get to bed by friend. I'll chat with you later. If you want look up more verses, use the Strong's # (03196) to look up the various ways in which this word is used. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |