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NASB | Matthew 26:29 "But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Matthew 26:29 "But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom." |
Subject: What is 'the fruit of the vine'? |
Bible Note: Joe your right if this discussion was going on 300 years ago there wouldn't be much to discuss. The wine of the time was less than 1 to 2 percent alcohol and was no comparison to what we call wine today. Grapes simply will not ferment into high alcoholic content wine without careful sterilization to kill off the yeast that make vinegar, and without sugar to feed the micro organisms that digest it and excrete waste. Your point is flawed if the alcohol killed the yeast therefore making wine permissible then baking would accomplish the same thing which should have made the leaven bread permissible. As for not being responsible for the consequences of speaking the truth your right, however the wine spoken of in the Bible is far removed from what we call wine today. Presenting them as being the same is simply not being truthful, and in there lies the problem. As for your motive for supporting wine, excuse me if you think I hunt for a hidden motive enabling us all to be your co-dependant. First what would make you think I would want to be your co anything. Secondly I see no reason for anyone to defend alcohol, short of trying to justify their own usage. As far as people waiting in the wings waiting for a go ahead to use alcohol. Surely you have dealt with an alcoholic, one married to a Christian. Yes if that alcoholic stumbled upon this thread you can be sure they would use it in their defense against their Christian spouse. If you doubt that then you are very naïve. Again I ask why do want to defend something that has brought so much destruction into this world, to try to justify its use? Your points are founded in error and I believe could be used by someone to justify their usage of alcohol. I see this thread having the potential of causing a brother to stumble even if you don’t and therefore I withdraw from any further discussion. EdB |