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1 | When did the catholic church go wrong? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 26027 | ||
Mary, Ark of the New Covenant Exodus 40:34: "Then the cloud covered the tent of meeting and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle." Luke 1:35: "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God" __________________________________________ John 1:13: "Born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh or of the will of man..." Luke 1:34: "I do not know man." John 1:13: "...but of God." John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh and dwelt (pitched his tent) among us." Exodus 25:8 "And let them make me a sanctuary that I may dwell in their midst" _____________________________________________ Exodus 25: 10-11 "They shall make an ark...and you shall overlay it with pure gold within and without..." Luke 1: 28 “Hail, full of grace!” Exodus 25: 21 "And you shall put the mercy seat on top of the ark; and in the ark you shall put the testimony that I shall give you." Exodus 25: 22 "There I shall meet with you, and from above the mercy seat..." John 19:25 "…But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother..." ____________________________________________________ 2 Samuel 6:9 "How can the ark of the Lord come to me?" Luke 1:43 "And why is this granted to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" 2 Samuel 6:11 "The ark of the Lord remained for three months in the house." Luke 1:56 "And Mary remained with her about three months." 2 Samuel 6:16 "David leaping and dancing before the Lord." Luke 1:41 "The babe leapt in her womb." _________________________________________ Hebrews 9:4 "... the Ark of the Covenant...which contained a golden urn holding the manna and Aaron’s rod that budded, ...and the tables of the covenant." Exodus 16:32-34 Mary is the ark of the new covenant that carried the Word of God and the manna come down from heaven, the bread of life, Jesus, our great high priest. John 6:31-35 “Our fathers ate manna in the wilderness.... The bread of God is that which comes down from heaven and gives life to the world... I am the bread of life." _____________________________________________ The Glory Of the Lord had departed from Israel and the temple when the Ark of the Covenant was lost, and was not seen there again until Mary came with Jesus to the temple. Ezekiel 10:18 "The Glory of the Lord went forth..." Luke 2:25-32 "Now master let your servant go in peace... for my eyes have seen...a light for revelation to the Gentiles and the Glory of your people Israel." Revelation 21:2-3 "And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice from the throne saying, ‘Behold the dwelling of God is with men, He will dwell with them…’" Revelation 11:19 "Then God’s temple in heaven was opened in heaven, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple... 12:1 And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars...." Genesis 3:15 "I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise thy head and thou shalt bruise his heel." Mary is an example of obedient faith in God and an image and symbol of the Church, which carries Christ into the world. For this reason she was called by the early Greek Christians, Theotokos, or God Bearer. She is also called the Mother of the Church, which is the mystical body of Christ as Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 12:12-30. |
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2 | When did the catholic church go wrong? | Bible general Archive 1 | Makarios | 26054 | ||
Greetings Emmaus! Hebrews 9:4 never states that the Ark of the Covenant was made of 'incorruptible wood'. Exodus 25:10 does not say this either! So if you are saying that the Ark was made of 'incorruptible wood', then either you are basing these assumptions on your own conclusions (which one cannot come to just by reading the text), or on the conclusions of a long standing tradition that does not prove to be 'supported' by Scripture here. All things must be supported by Scripture. If we begin to believe in tradition rather than Scripture, then we are taking our focus off of God's Holy Word, and putting our 'faith' in man's tradition, which is full of flaws, and God's Word is flawless (Psalm 12:6-7). I now see where you make the connection between Mary having the 'midden manna' of Jesus Christ and giving birth to Him, thus making her the new "Ark of the Covenant" and the "Queen of God", but this is nowhere to be supported in Scripture! Is it only coincidence that none of the Biblical writers ever even alluded to the same thing that you are talking about? Yes, all generations will call Mary 'blessed', since she was in a sense, the hand-maiden of God. However, Mary is in no way equal with God, nor does she have any characteristics of the Deity. If you read in Luke 2:34-35, does not Simeon say to Mary, "and a sword will pierce even your own soul"?? If this is so, then in what way is Mary shown to be Deity, since she will also be convicted of her sins? We should not call Mary, the mother of Jesus, 'blessed' to the point of worshipping her! This would be idolatry, and something that is not even acceptable to angels (Rev. 19:10; 22:8-9)! Mary was a servant of God as we are. In no way has she been placed as a "Goddess" over mankind. Not only does this teach polytheism but it is not Scriptural and is actually contrary to the teachings of the Bible. I agree with you that Jesus is the 'new Adam' because the Bible says so in 1 Corinthians 15:45. And 1 Corinthians 15:22 tells me this also. But Emmaus, where in the Bible does it say that Mary is anything more than a God fearing woman who gave birth to the Man, Jesus Christ? Mary may have given birth to Jesus, who was the fullness of God in bodily form, and Mary was the 'vessel' that God used to deliver His Son to this earth, but Mary did not 'give birth' to God. For God has no beginning and no end! (Revelation 22:13) And how could Mary be the mother of God if God has existed forever? Jesus Christ has always existed, even before the foundation of the earth! (John 17:24, Hebrews 13:8) So was Mary really the 'mother of God'? Or was she just a willing servant of God whom God used to 'introduce' His one and only Son into this world? Emmaus, I am not trying to put you on the spot here. I humbly ask you to please show me in Scripture with Bible Verses where it 'proves' that Mary is anything more than just a humble servant of God. Also, "man that was at the foot of the cross" and this brings me to John 19:26-27 where Jesus says, "Woman, behold, your son!" and to the 'man', "Behold, your mother!" If you were referring to these passages, where Mary, the mother of Jesus, is standing at the foot of the cross with John, His disciple, then please show me where it says here that Mary is anything more than just a woman of God. Emmaus, I ask you humbly, and not as a request! Your Brother in Christ, Nolan |
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3 | When did the catholic church go wrong? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 26056 | ||
I am content let my original three posts on Mary and Scripture speak for themselves to those who wish to read and meditate on them and reach their own conclusions. Anything else would be to invite a forum version of a WWF caged ring championship match. It was my understanding that this was scripture discussion forum, not a Catholic bashing forum. Blessings to all on the Feast of the Immaculate Conception! |
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4 | When did the catholic church go wrong? | Bible general Archive 1 | Makarios | 26058 | ||
Greeting Emmaus! You are not the first to come along on this Forum and to press the belief that Mary was something more than just a woman and disciple. Your power to convince doesn't come through your assumptions- it comes through Scripture! And so far, you have not proved anyone that Mary was anything more than just a woman disciple. Blessings to you and every other Catholic on their search for the truth! Nolan |
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