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1 | When did the catholic church go wrong? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 25909 | ||
Hi Paul I heard today that over fifty percent of the churches in America have an attendance of less than 75 and that 50 churches a week close. I know when I talk to non attenders and ask why they don't attend. I get one of three answers. First they don't believe you have to attend a church to satisfy God. Secondly everyone knows everyone else and I'm treated as an outsider. Thirdly now do I know which church to attend they all say their right. That last answer bothers me the most. Since the reformation we have fragmented the church almost without end. I asked this question for a reason, I wanted to know what everyone thought was the major problem with the Catholic church and does or could that problem effect a protestant church today. You mentioned that in 300AD many left the church to form a babylonic church. Are you inferring an authentic church continued other than the Catholic church. While I’m sure there were splinter groups and such I can find nothing to verify this do you have anything? EdB |
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2 | When did the catholic church go wrong? | Bible general Archive 1 | Paulfromnys | 25952 | ||
Hi Ed, yes as I said, the church is a living communion with GOD in the attonement of our Lord Jesus Christ. Nothing more, nothing less. The church continued on as Babylon was born, and began to grow(Babylon). When Babylon(Roman church) came to a position of pre-eminent power, her real nature was revealed as she sought to bind all men to herself, and destroyed all who refused. During the dark ages undeceived believers continued to witness to the realities of the gospel, and refused to recognize the Roman church as in the faith of Jesus Christ. For this many were killed. At the reformation a witness(Holy Spirit) againest the Roman church was given(Luther, ect) and Her power over the lives of men was broken. But men did much the same as they did with Constintine 1300 years earlier and organized themselves into churches with intimate relationships with the governments of the world. And now while the intimidating, life threatening power of Babylon was broken a new threat as revealed in Matthew 24:24 was undertaken by the spirit of anti-Christ. These realities are shown symbolicaly in spiritual language in Revelations 17, and GODS counsel to those within these systems in Revelation 18:4. If you notice 17:5 says she is a whore, and the mother of harlots. She is now calling her daughters back to herself in the eccumenical movement, as her headship(the devil) lusts for one more crack at real power in the lives of men. |
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3 | When did the catholic church go wrong? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 25976 | ||
Wow, Paul. These are pretty powerful words. And pretty un-historical ones. The Reformers, just like those who came before, did not seek to overthrow the Church of Rome, but to bring it back to the basics as seen in Scripture. Hence the name "REFORM." Originally there was never any intent to form new branches of Christendom, but to fix what was wrong in the existing ones. Please provide some historical examples from the Dark Ages of groups that held true to the biblical faith AND split off from the institution of Roman Catholicism. Please also demonstrate how the verse you cited refers to Rome: "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect." --Matthew 24:24 Thanks! --Joe! |
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4 | When did the catholic church go wrong? | Bible general Archive 1 | Paulfromnys | 25983 | ||
Hi Joe, These words are not born in academics, but in my spirit. You probably have a better grasp of historical specifics than me(highschool and 27 years in the faith aware of such issues). I once did a study on churh history and spent several months about these things. But it is the reality of how people and churches respond to what GOD has declared in His word which moves me to speak in these terms. Joe --The Reformers, just like those who came before, did not seek to overthrow the Church of Rome, but to bring it back to the basics as seen in Scripture. Hence the name "REFORM." Originally there was never any intent to form new branches of Christendom, but to fix what was wrong in the existing ones. ------------ Yes this was in the hearts of many including Luther, but it found no interest in Rome, as she was pre-eminent in her own mind, and abided no one telling her of needed reforms, to include the Spirit of GOD as being revealed in His word. Believers seek to overthrow or protest nothing except the power of sin in mens life through the gospel of Jesus Christ. Joe: --Please provide some historical examples from the Dark Ages of groups that held true to the biblical faith AND split off from the institution of Roman Catholicism.--------------- There are books of Martyrs giving many testimonies of how Rome(church) responded to those who whould not embrace her, and yet maintained a testimony for Christ. History tells of her brutality in the inquisition. She is known to have manipulated governments to obtain her ends, to include many wars. These are historical facts Joe, but the spiritual reality is that she seeks her own glory, and to bind men to herself. As I said this was evident when she was in a position of power, but today she must lay low, for much of her real power is gone, but she's working on it. Joe --Please also demonstrate how the verse you cited refers to Rome: "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect." --Matthew 24:24 Good question Joe, sinse it dosen't. Look at Revelation 17:5 and see the whore having daughters, harlots. These are the many groups and organizations who sinse the reformation have conformed themselves in ever deeper ways to what the scriptures are saying. One good test to avoid the spirit of Babylon is to refuse membership in anything except the already established membership all believers have in the body of Christ by the sure promises of GOD received in the faith of jesus Christ, our life and Lord. Carnal distinctions are forbidden believers by scripture, yet babylon will always insist that belonging to her is the real expression of the Holy Spirit. The Roman church is not this, for she is easily discerned as off, and twisting the word of GOD Yours in Christ, Paul |
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