Results 1 - 5 of 5
|
|
|||||
Results from: Answered Bible Questions, Answers, Unanswered Bible Questions, Notes Ordered by Verse | ||||||
Results | Verse | Author | ID# | |||
1 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Country Girl | 126986 | ||
I've been having a rather interesting and stimulating discussion with Kalos and a few others about the applicability of the OT to us as modern christians. I've been using this Book of Hebrews and its discussion on this superiority in contrast to the OT as one of my main supports. Although I have tremendous respect and love for the OT, it all boils down (at least to me) to the fact that there is currently no applicable authority in the OT as it applies to our modern form of worship, God's plan of salvation through His Son or the actual mechanics of running and organizing the church in this dispensation. Thus I've been saying (and have received much flak for it) that the OT is obsolete with its emphasis on the sacrifices of animals, the Levitical Priesthood, allowing men an easy out for divorce, and allowing a man to lust for a women as long as he doesn't commit adultery. This indicates just how spiritually immature mankind was in that dispensation and thus why the OT should be considered obsolete. Again, I wish to emphsize the tremendous value we have in the OT. It shows us like no other resource the tremendous love and patience our God has for all of us mankind. The OT shows the tremendous lengths and great strides our Lord went through to try to get to His children (Jews). This reflects the fact that He really wants to get through to us but NOW He chooses to do so through His Son. I guess my main point is that God wants to give His Son ALL the prominence in this dispensation and thus had the OT nailed to the cross when Jesus was crucified. That's why we as God's obedient children must give Christ the preiminence by worshiping Him on Sunday, the first day of the week and NOT any other day like the Sabbath. Although it's a tough thing for some people to do, in my opinion we should learn to give up our love affair with the OT and put its AUTHORITY on a shelf and move on with modern christianity as described in the NT. What do think about this subject? Blessings to you. Country Girl |
||||||
2 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | kalos | 127018 | ||
'The Consistent Truth of the Torah '"I came not to destroy the Law or the Prophets" - Matthew 5:17 ____________________ "If the New Covenant were to contradict previously given scriptures in the Law or the Prophets, then the New Covenant would not be true." ____________________ 'The New Covenant teaches that we are saved by grace. Everyone has failed to keep the Law. Through the atonement of Yeshua's (Jesus') work on the cross, we are set free from the punishment that is due us for having broken the perfect standard of the Law. In that sense, we are no longer "under the Law." 'However that does not mean that the moral absolutes of the Law are no longer applicable to us. The New Covenant does not "do away" with the Law in that sense, but rather writes it in our hearts (Jeremiah 31:31). For any system of truth to be valid, it must be consistent with itself. Contradictions disprove truth. If the New Covenant were to contradict previously given scriptures in the Law or the Prophets, then the New Covenant would not be true. 'In the Sermon on the Mount, Yeshua does not contradict the Ten Commandments, but rather instructs us as to what is the true "heart-meaning" of the Law. In that sense He makes the Law even more demanding. For those who say we are not required to keep the Law, I ask, "Just which one of those Ten Commandments were you planning on NOT keeping?" Christianity, without a proper understanding of Torah, loses its own moral courage and integrity' (Seven Pillars of Messianic Judaism, Asher Intrater, 2003). |
||||||
3 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Country Girl | 127027 | ||
In addition to the Book of Hebrews which contrasts the superiority of christianity to Judiasm, we also have the Book of Romans which clearly describes just how totally inadequate the Law of Moses really was. See below. Rom 4:13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. Rom 4:14 For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified; Rom 4:16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, Rom 6:19 I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, resulting in sanctification. Rom 7:4 Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. Rom 7:5 For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death. Rom 7:6 But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter. Rom 7:8 But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. Rom 7:23 but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin. Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. Rom 8:3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, Thus in spite of the opinions you offer from other men, we see Apostle Paul with divine inspiration puts down the Law of Moses and the whole system of Judiasm as it was totally inadequate and is now obsolete. How do you reconcile your position about the OT in contrast to Paul's teaching as cited above? Blessings to you, dear friend. Country Girl |
||||||
4 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Morant61 | 127031 | ||
Greetings Country Girl! I'm not Kalos, but may I add my two cents? :-) Paul did not 'put down the Law'. He put down the misguided attempt to be saved by obeying the Law. The Law served its purpose perfectly - pointing out our sinfulness and bring us to Christ. The Law still serves the same purpose as it did in the Old Testament. It was never meant to, nor could it, save us. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
||||||
5 | Superior Hope | Heb 11:40 | Country Girl | 127037 | ||
Maybe "put down the Law" is a little harsh. I was trying to make a point in the contrast as shown by Romans and Hebrews. Yes, I agree with you. The Law did and still does show us as mankind how we are totally lost without God's Grace and His Son's blood. I must go back to my main point of emphasizing the authority of the NT over and above that of the OT. Appreciate your correction. Blessings to you, dear friend. Country Girl |
||||||