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1 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90254 | ||
Ed, We have been at an empass here for awhile. You believe the stripes Jesus bore was for 'spiritual healing' and I believe is to spiritual, and physical, bought in the atonement. If we do not agree on this alone...the rest is never going to 'gel'. God bless |
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2 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 90304 | ||
Graceful Will you agree that Christ died for our sins and healed us spiritually? If so once we believe in Christ and stay in the faith are we ever spiritually sick again? The answer is no. If physical healing is in the atonement then no Christian should ever get physically sick provided they stay in the faith. Yet we know Bill Bright a great Christian just recently died of lung disease. He must have had faith enough for spiritual healing but not for physical. If physical healing is in the atonement like spiritual healing when we become saved and experience our spiritual healing we should also be healed yet we know Joni Eckerson Tada was spiritually healed however she is still confined to a wheel chair. Therefore we clearly see the two healings have different workings even if they are provided in the atonement (and I'm not saying they are. Now what is different? One always happens salvation however the other doesn't always. I say the reason is God never intended every Christian to be sickness free. Therefore God provided scripture taht tells us Christians what to do if we do get sick. You say it is a lack of faith. However you can't show me where God said if you lack faith and get sick here is what to do. EdB |
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3 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90395 | ||
"Will you agree that Christ died for our sins and healed us spiritually? If so once we believe in Christ and stay in the faith are we ever spiritually sick again? The answer is no. If physical healing is in the atonement then no Christian should ever get physically sick provided they stay in the faith. Yet we know Bill Bright a great Christian just recently died of lung disease. He must have had faith enough for spiritual healing but not for physical." Ed, that is a good observation. The first question was, "Will you agree that Christ died for our sins and healed us spiritually? If so once we believe in Christ and stay in the faith are we ever spiritually sick again?" The optimal word here would be 'stay in faith'. By this you mean that if we continue in faith in the redemptive work of Jesus Christ our savior, yes, we remain in His grace. If you mean 'remain if faith' in the sense that we 'sin no more' no. We do indeed sin (hopefully less and less as we grow up) but yes even as believers we can become entangled in sin and become spiritually sick, not to the point of spiritual death. If physical healing is in the atonement like spiritual healing when we become saved and experience our spiritual healing we should also be healed... No, just as with salvation, healing must be received by faith. All of the provisions of the atonement must be received by faith. Many are taught only that Christ died for their sins and this is all they believe for, and it is all they get. But as we grow in the Word we see that much more was provided. He was wounded for our transgression! He was bruised for our iniquities! The chastisement needful for our peace was upon Him! By His stripes you are healed! It is possible to believ in the blood for sins, and even possible to believe God heals some, but not me.... But the scripture here and indicates no exceptions. "yet we know Joni Eckerson Tada was spiritually healed however she is still confined to a wheel chair." I am sure when we all get to Heaven we sill know why...but her experience does not compromise scripture. yet we know Joni Eckerson Tada was spiritually healed however she is still confined to a wheel chair. "Therefore God provided scripture that tells us Christians what to do if we do get sick. You say it is a lack of faith. However you can't show me where God said if you lack faith and get sick here is what to do." The scripture does say 'IF there are any sick among you....' There is the conclusion that there may be some sick among you, but this does not conclude that there has to be any sick among you.... As far as your statement there is no scripture that tells us our faith can be developed to the point of not becoming sick (not yielding to any attack of sickness) There are scriptures that tell us God will give us the desires of our heart, that we are redeemed from the curse...sickness is under the curse....and that the righteous shall live by faith...If you believe for healing when you get sick, praise God you believe my brother. I can't convince you to 'believe'. That is the responsibility of the Holy Spirit...Let it rest awhile. God bless |
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4 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 90445 | ||
Graceful Once again you said a lot but really didn't say anything. Yes we can be healed, yes God still heals today. However there is nothing in the word that says God has to heal you. There is nothing in the word that says once your a Christian you won't get sick again. You say there is a promise that God gives you desires of our heart. Your right however there is also scripture that says you ask and have not because you ask for things that feed the lust of our flesh. Think about it! When we seek healing are we asking to satisfy God's will or to satisfy our flesh? Let's use the case of Epaphroditus in Philip. 2. Here is a Christian man that gets sick doing the work of the Lord. Would you consider it possible that God allowed him to get sick to teach him to take care of himself? Now let's say Paul saw the first signs of Epaphroditus'sickness and told him he was getting sick and to pray for healing and God then healed him. Would he have learned the lesson God had for him. Think about it. Jesus said don't worry about what can kill the body worry about what can kill the spirit. Is it possible Epaphroditus was heading for spiritual burnout and God allowed him to get sick to give him time to rest, build himself up in the word and get about the Fathers business and if he he had been healed at the outset of the sickness none of this would have happened. See you always assume sickness is bad, but is it? Could it be used for a time of rest, a time of reflection, could it be the way God chooses to bring us home, could it be a time for us to realize what a blessing health is so we can teach others, could it be a way to bless others by showing them that even through adversity believers still find a victory in Jesus? Could God be using a sickness for any of these things? Before you say no, how do you know? EdB |
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5 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90459 | ||
"Once again you said a lot but really didn't say anything." If that is the case..no further discussion on this subject with you will be profitable. God bless |
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6 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | EdB | 90514 | ||
Graceful Read what you said. Did it prove anything about what we are talking about? Did it shed any new light? Did you ever read what I asked or what I said? EdB |
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