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1 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 89870 | ||
George, I would like to make two points if I may.. First, your statement here confirms the 'consideration' of schmythe is unscriptureal. "So… I seriously doubt that Enoch and Elijah were taken up by Jesus, for He hadn’t even been born yet. Thus, this occurrence is irrelevant to the fact that “says the only way to the Father is through Jesus.”" He had not yet paid the price for man's sins so Enoch and Elizah were still under the curse of the law of sin and death, still under the Old Covenant, unredeemed. My second point is that when someone comes to the forum who is searching for an answer, even through speculation, their speculations should be responded to with scripture and not animosity, despite how they may be 'coming across'. We should make every effort to set the example. Speculation is the way some go at learning... Thirdly, based on the truth set forth that it is not likely Jesus came and took them because scripture tells us He had no become the redeemer until death burial and resurrection..So the scripture can't be broken...How can Enoch and Elizah be translated based on Romans 5:14-17? They were under the same curse, they were definitely men..Enoch had children... I agree these two may very well be the two witnesses...but how did they escape the curse? Forgive me if you have given a clear response to this already, I may have missed a post the post. If so, just direct me to it or copy and paste it to this note. God bless |
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2 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | Schmythe | 89915 | ||
What you say does make sense, however there is one point I disagree with. You say that it could not have been Jesus because he was not born yet. If you were to read John 1: 1-3, 14 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made...The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,who came from the Father, full of grace and truth." Also if you will read my previous note, in not all of them was I as forgetfull as some and I did include scriptural reference. | ||||||
3 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90113 | ||
Good morning schmythe, What I said was that REDEMPTION had not yet been provided by the Man Jesus. He had not shed His blood for the sins of mankind so redemption or the escape from the penalty of sin had not yet been provided, therefore Enoch and Elizah were both still under the Old Covenant, just as Issac, Jacob and Abraham. Jesus THE WORD was with the Father 'from the beginning' and was very active in the creation. God the Father spoke the Word and the Holy Spirit moved. Does that clarify my statement? God bless |
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