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1 | Divine Healing? | Matthew | Jesified | 72131 | ||
I would never "throw out" a verse of scripture. However, we must rightly divide the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15). Paul was not sick. By that I mean that he was not referring to a sickness in 2 Corinthians 12:7. The term "thorn in the flesh" is best described as the slang of that period which can not be interpreted literally. Paul, since he was a well learned scholar in the practices of Judaism and what we know as the Old Testament, was probably quoting Numbers 33:55. "But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell."-Numbers 33:55 “Know for a certainty that the LORD your God will no more drive out any of these nations from before you; but they shall be snares and traps unto you, and scourges in your sides, and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you.” -Joshua 23:13 “Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you.” -Judges 2:3 There is a rule in proper hermeneutics, or Bible interpretation, and that is that if the same phrase is used in the Bible multiple times referring to one thing, then it is more than likely that it means the same thing in all accounts of that phrase. There are two accounts of the usage of the term “thorn in the side” which I have listed above, and one usage of “thorns in your eyes” which means the same thing, just on a different part of the body. Since the terms "thorn in the side," “thorns in your eyes,” and "thorn in the flesh" have a similar enough meaning, this rule would apply. In all the Old Testament appearances of this word we find that they actually refer to people. Therefore, it is logical to say that Paul’s thorn was also a person, or group of people. Now on to whom Paul’s thorn was. If you read the book of Acts where it tells of Paul’s journeys you will see that groups of Jews stirred up the people against him. “But the Jews stirred up the devout and honourable women, and the chief men of the city, and raised persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them out of their coasts.” -Acts 13:50 “But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles, and made their minds evil affected against the brethren.” -Acts 14:2 “But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.” -Acts 13:45 “And when Gallio was the deputy of Achaia, the Jews made insurrection with one accord against Paul, and brought him to the judgment seat,” -Acts 18:12 “And after five days Ananias the high priest descended with the elders, and with a certain orator named Tertullus, who informed the governor against Paul.” -Acts 24:1 “Then the high priest and the chief of the Jews informed him against Paul, and besought him,” -Acts 25:2 “And when he was come, the Jews which came down from Jerusalem stood round about, and laid many and grievous complaints against Paul, which they could not prove” -Acts 25:7 As you can see, the Jews cause quite a lot of trouble for Paul, which is why I firmly believe that they were his “thorn in the flesh” Where does it say that Timothy was sick? Also, I’ll have to get back to you when I get a chance to look at those verses in 1 Corinthians. Jesified |
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2 | Divine Healing? | Matthew | EdB | 72141 | ||
Jesified Your explanation of Paul’s thorn is the flesh sounds good but does not hold up to close scrutiny. Paul said he was given something to keep him humble, what would keep you humble? How about a debilitating illness that effects you personal appearance? Paul once again referred to this in Galatians 4 Galatians 4:12-15 I beg of you, brethren, become as I am, for I also have become as you are. You have done me no wrong; 13but you know that it was because of a bodily illness that I preached the gospel to you the first time; 14and that which was a trial to you in my bodily condition you did not despise or loathe, but you received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus Himself. 15Where then is that sense of blessing you had? For I bear you witness that, if possible, you would have plucked out your eyes and given them to me. He gives us even more evidence of an ongoing eye problem in his summation of Galatians by saying. Galatians 6:11 See with what large letters I am writing to you with my own hand. We also know other faithful followers were sick Philip. 2:25-27 But I thought it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother and fellow worker and fellow soldier, who is also your messenger and minister to my need; 26because he was longing for you all and was distressed because you had heard that he was sick. 27For indeed he was sick to the point of death, but God had mercy on him, and not on him only but also on me, so that I would not have sorrow upon sorrow. 2 Tim. 4:20 Erastus remained at Corinth, but Trophimus I left sick at Miletus. 1 Tim. 5:23 No longer drink water exclusively, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments. If a Christian is never to get sick then why would God include a holy prescription for healing in the book of James? James 5:14-15 Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; 15and the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him. You asked where does it say Timothy was sick. 1 Tim. 5:23 which I posted above. One last parting thought every Christian up to this point in time has died of some disease. And every Christian from this point in time until the Lord returns will died from some disease. You might want to check the medical records of some of these men that have taught you this nonsense. Their actual medical records do not correspond to what they claim. I know even some that have traveled out of the country to get medical treatment so they would not be discovered. You suggested a book to read in one of your earlier posts. I have read it. Now I suggest you read Christianity in Crisis by Hank Hanegraaff. I did what you asked now you do what I ask be sure to read all the footnotes. EdB |
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3 | Divine Healing? | Matthew | Jesified | 72198 | ||
Not every Christian has died of a disease. I don't know where you get the knowledge to back up that sort of claim, but I assure you it's false. The men that have taught me this "nonsense" are still alive, many after 20 and 30 years in the ministry. In fact Kenneth E. Hagin the "ring leader," as you would probably refer to him, teaches one of my classes every Tuesday and Thursday. He's no less healthy than any other man I know. Also, I'm not calling you a liar but I have a hard time believing that you could read a book like Christ the Healer and still have the opinion on healing that you have showed in your posts. As for Christianity in Crisis, I'll look that one up. I have a lot of reading to do for my classes, so it may be a while until I get around to it, but fair is fair. What translation of the Bible are you using? Jesified |
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4 | Divine Healing? | Matthew | EdB | 72245 | ||
Jesified Go look at the death certificates there is a disease or reason for death in each case. None that I'm aware of say, cause of death "nothing". Read the book then we will discuss Hagin. I read Christ the Healer for the same reason you read it. At the time I bought into it lock stock and barrel. Then the Holy Spirit showed me the rest of the story. Praise the Lord! I no longer had to worry every time I got sick what sin had I committed and didn’t confess. I don’t have to lie when some one asks me how I feel I can say lousy and not worry that I might somehow open the door for an attack. I'm free. I learned to trust God. I don't try to make sense out everything that happens now I just believe God is sufficient to see me through it. You know what? He is!!! Praise God. Since this forum is sponsored by Lockman I quote all Bible references from NASB updated. In personal study I use KJV, NKJV, NASB, NLT, ESV and an interlinear bible. If I'm teaching I use NKJV or NLT. For personal reading I usually use NKJV or the ESV. I think I have read every major English translation. I refuse to consider the NIV because of Zondervan's decision to bring out their new Bible and I threw out my Living Bible because it was so sick. By the way I guessed right you are Rhema. EdB |
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