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NASB | Romans 9:21 Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 9:21 Does the potter not have the right over the clay, to make from the same lump [of clay] one object for honorable use [something beautiful or distinctive] and another for common use [something ordinary or menial]? |
Subject: Whats up with Judgement, calvinists plz? |
Bible Note: 2. John 3: 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. If NASA said tomorrow whosever goes to the moon will…….it would not imply that ALL could go to the moon, but those that are trained…astronauts. Here the words of Scripture are very clear and they are limited to “whosoever believeth in him,” limiting the term “whosoever.” John insures you understand this by saying that the others are “condemned already” vs 18. 3. Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. It is absolutely amazing how you only quote “part” of the verse and leave the rest out. Let him that heareth—not everyone has “spiritual ears” to hear because they have not been transformed by grace. But the announcement is only to these that HEARETH to “take the water of life freely” for it will only be these that “athirst” for they desire to be in the presence of whom John early called: “living water” (John 4:10). 1 Cor 3:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 4. John 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. Yep, they will not! They are dead in trespasses and sins how can they come. Dead men do not come! If you will look at the Scriptures again surrounding the text you will see vs 39 stating they did not understand the Scriptures—compare with 1 Cor 3:14 above… 5. Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. And Rom. 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Yes, and “How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? (Rom 10:14, the very next verse again). NOTICE that the CALL comes after the BELIEF and the BELIEF comes AFTER the HEARING, but they are deaf and dumb (spiritually dead in trespasses and sins) thus until God changes them they will not hear or call or believe. This is so easy if you will just look at the total context instead of stealing parts of verses or phrases. --- YOU SAID: "….Why doesn’t God just make me good? The answer is: that wouldn’t be goodness, it would be slavery. And God isn’t interested in slaves but in sons and daughters. God will not overpower us into goodness…” Your philosophy is interesting but not biblical. (1) you are blaming God for not making you good (for you are evil—all are), thus accusing God of sin (2) the Bible does speak of you being a slave to sin (Rom 6) (3) Yes, God is interested in His sons and daughters—limited (4) and He must break the sons and daughter free from their slavery—whom the Son sets free…..he is free indeed, not whom the Son gives a will to, to set himself free (John 1:13, et. al.)! --- YOU SAY: "How can man be held accountable to God for his actions in judgment without freewill? Do those who die unbelivers get judged for something that they could not be responsible for? What kind of God would judge someone for his or her inability?"(unknown source) Men are judged for their sin—All have sinned! Men have a will and sin of their own volition. Without God’s call, election, grace, justification, atonement (etc) men will continue to sin and will be held accountable for the same. God is not holding them accountable for their inability to accept Him, but for their sin and in this sin they can not accept Him, unless and until He changes them! --- YOU SAY: "What then, you ask, does free will do? Free-will in your interpretation does one thing confuse and abuse the Scripture. God chose to save the way He did to fulfill His divine purposes. Your argument is not with us, but Him. Rom 9: 11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) |