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NASB | Romans 9:21 Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 9:21 Does the potter not have the right over the clay, to make from the same lump [of clay] one object for honorable use [something beautiful or distinctive] and another for common use [something ordinary or menial]? |
Bible Question:
I am wondering if a calvinist could explain to me why God, if all things are ordained by him, would judge people? what I mean is, if God made us all, and God chose everything we would do, why did he give us the 'illusion' of freewill, and why would he judge us for things he made us do? I can understand it if I except God delegates Authority to man so that we may choose to love him, then I can see why all the suffering and death and pain are worth it to God, because some will "choose" to love him, But if in the end we cannot choose, why did he not simply make us perfect in the first place? God is outside of time, so to me words like foreordained, and foreknew, are meaningless in the context of God himself, though they obviously have meaning to man. |
Bible Answer: Recognizing that you are new to the forum and welcome to it, I would strongly suggest that you use the Search feature and type in Calvinism. The reasoning behind my suggestion is this: The debates on Calvinism have been and, very unforunately for the general good of this forum, continue to be hashed and rehashed over and over to the point of becoming ridiculously repetitive and hence unproductive. Debates on the so-called "5 Points" (TULIP) of Calvinism have waged for centuries among seasoned and learned theologians and have for the most part failed to be resolved. There is no reason to believe that we of the forum, most of whom could not meet the criteria to be called seasoned and learned theologians, will be able to effect any meaningful consensus either. --Hank |