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NASB | Romans 9:21 Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 9:21 Does the potter not have the right over the clay, to make from the same lump [of clay] one object for honorable use [something beautiful or distinctive] and another for common use [something ordinary or menial]? |
Subject: Whats up with Judgement, calvinists plz? |
Bible Note: Well, praise God we landed. I will need to make this 2 posts because of length. Now to the question: New Creature wrote: “Many will actually argue that they do not personally have a free will to choose anything…” Calvinists here to my knowledge are not arguing that man has no-will at all. Calvinists do not assert that God forces HIS will on any except to set him free from the slavery of sin that he is in which slavery is “death”. Do dead people raise themselves from death (Rom 6:4-5). The example I posted was VERY CLEAR on this issue (see ‘initial’ post Sovereignty and Free-Will). What the issue is – Is not is man has a will, but when is it used in the process of salvation. An easy way to look at this is how much does a child contribute to his own personal birth. The Mother and Father conceive a child and at an appointed time the child comes forth. In normal child birth the child contributes nothing to its conception and delivery. After it is born the Physician pats it to make it cry (confession—there is you activity, but not before). Amazing things about babies, they do not open their eyes until after they are delivered from the womb and initially they see everything upside down because the muscles in their eyes have not yet matured to the point of normal eye-site (the condition of saved Arminians—they still, because of immaturity in the Word of God look at everything from their perspective—upside down--and not in the normalcy of God’s ways and thoughts—Scripture). The normal process of salvation is as such: Effectual Calling - Divine Act Regeneration - Divine Act Repentance -Divine - Human Faith -Divine - Human Justification -Divine Sanctification -Divine Adoption -Divine Progressive Sanctification -Divine - Human Perseverance IN Holiness - Divine - Human Glorification -Divine --- YOU SAY: “Without free will, many of Bible statements make no sense: 1. "Why do you call me Lord and don't do what I say" Luke 6:46 Why? God willed it that way! 2. "Whosoever believes shall be saved" John 3:16 (Not whosoever God makes a believer) 3. "Whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Rev. 22:17 4. John 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 5. Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Again, in “your examples” you assume free-will to be much more than what is taught in Scripture. 1. Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh. 46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? You and others continue to insist to take verses out of context to prove your philosophy? You quote vs. 46. Where does it say that the individual CHOSE WHAT TYPE OF HEART HE HAD? (vs 45) The heart is what is given and Christ is explaining what comes out of each type! |