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NASB | John 6:37 "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 6:37 "All that My Father gives Me will come to Me; and the one who comes to Me I will most certainly not cast out [I will never, never reject anyone who follows Me]. |
Subject: Is 'once saved always saved correct? |
Bible Note: Mike: I take it that by ignoring my biblical references (especially 1 Peter 1:3-5) that you cannot comment on them. That is getting to be a routine with you here. 1. Judas was never secure in his salvation because he never truly belonged to Christ in the first place. Judas did not lose something, because Jesus made it clear that he didn't have it BEFORE He was betrayed: 'Jesus answered them, "Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?"' --John 6:70 Judas was not "given to Christ" (cf. John 6:37): 'Jesus answered, "I told you that I am He; so if you seek Me, let these go their way," to fulfill the word which He spoke, "Of those whom You have given Me I lost not one."' --John 18:8 2. Even though the whole story of Demas is not told to us in Scripture, if he fell away, then he was not one of the elect from the beginning. 3. It was not ME that stated that. Let's try this again: "who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." --1 Peter 1:5 My name is Joe, not Peter. And the Holy Spirit inspired Peter as well, so we have to look at the whole of Scripture, leaving nothing out, to come up with the best interpretation. 4. Because many people, like you, think that they are pleasing God with their petty "righteousness," meriting and maintaining salvation by an alleged "constant confession." You are a prime example of someone who thinks that he is following Christ but is really relying on himself for justification before God. Looking at Matthew 7:24-27 would be an excellent exercise. What did both the wise manand foolish man do? They both built a house. The difference in the wise and foolish man was not their activity, but rather the foundation of it. Without faith in the completed work of Christ and His Word as the foundation of the Christian life, your house is built on sand, Mike. I fully agree that works accompany salvation. However, salvation in Scipture is works-PRODUCING, not works-BASED. That is the difference. No works means no salvation. Matthew 7 makes that very clear. But we also see a group of people in Matthew 7 that did "work" and yet had no salvation (Matthew 7:22-23). 5. Despite the fact that you facetiously claim misunderstanding of 1 John 1:9, that is indeed the case. By using one verse as the basis of your whole doctrine of "saved-sin-loss-confess-saved-sin-loss," you are ignoring an overwhelming number of passages which clearly and unequivocally state that forgiveness is a completed event. Here are more verses for you to ignore: "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins." --Acts 10:43 "In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace" --Ephesians 1:7 "in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins" --Colossians 1:14 "Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." --Romans 8:1 "But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world." --1 Corinthians 11:31-32 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life." --John 5:24 The first epistle of John is filled with the characteristics of a true believer, which includes confession and not practicing sin. Those who are truly His will confess their sins to Him. That is not to say, however, that we become His and then become not His and then become His and then become not His and so on based on our current state of confession. That simply contradicts too much of the New Testament which clearly states the opposite. The only way to hold to your position is to pick and choose the "works" passages and reject the "faith alone" ones, which equally as erroneous as holding to the "faith alone" passages and ignoring the ones which you mention in your posts. --Joe! |