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NASB | John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 3:3 Jesus answered him, "I assure you and most solemnly say to you, unless a person is born again [reborn from above--spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified], he cannot [ever] see and experience the kingdom of God." |
Subject: Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf |
Bible Note: "You are confusing "indwelling" with becoming that which indwells. For example: the fact that I dwell in a house does not mean the house and I share my nature." How can I become something that is outside myself? Can't be done. The 'outside' must enter me. The OT testifies to this and that is the reason for Jesus. He gave Himself that we MAY "become" and that by HIS own Life DEPOSITED in us. I work from my 'self' toward that!!? From some other divine nature aside from Christ Himself, to become like Him!!? Never! He gave Himself to us- "Jn 20.22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, RECEIVE ye the HOLY GHOST -that we MAY have HIS power to become that which He purposes.....But He said wait ..don't start wrapping on doors before you hang out in the upper room for a few days to be endued/clothed with power --- Act1.8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. A multiplying of Himself in the earth, if you will. Without IT to begin with, we don't stand a chance! "In certain ways we partake in God's divine nature; Eternal life for instance. But even that is limited." Only by the flesh that will shed at some point in time. But then so was Jesus limited as, a MAN. Jesus grew old just like every man last, time I checked. "We were created at a point in time, which means we have not existed eternally." What did God say to Jeremiah?: I knew/saw you before you were in the womb" "We had a beginning. Our Lord has always been; He had no beginning nor will He have an end." Jesus had a beginning. It was with Mary. Jesus CHRIST has no end. Jesus was a man as God intended for man to be. Jesus, the man, was tempted to prove His allegience in the matter of Faithfulness to His Father. He suceeded. Jesus, the man, became the NEW SON OF GOD, yet He ALWAYS was, in THAT sense, but now has a NEW BODY to dwell in. CHRIST, the SON of GOD was NOT begotten. See Jn 1.1. However, Jesus, the man, was. "You seem hesitant to follow through on your claims. What are the implications of sharing in divinity? What are you getting at?" No hesitancy I see on my part. I do sense a tremendous lack of understanding as to what the gospel of the good news is all about in this forum and elseware.. I would strongly suggest some heavy reading of the 1900 century teachers and expositors. G.Campbell Morgan, Oswald Chambers, George McDonald, Spurgeon, ET AL. "It seems to me that you are parroting the teaching of another, but have not finished hearing all the tapes!" I OWN what I've been telling you. True, I had help but that help only confirmed what the Holy Spirit had already begun to plant in my spirit. A pentecost of sorts and that because of a deep hunger for Him, to know HIm. Perhaps it would help to know I've been in the thing for over 55 yrs. Ken |