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NASB | John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 3:3 Jesus answered him, "I assure you and most solemnly say to you, unless a person is born again [reborn from above--spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified], he cannot [ever] see and experience the kingdom of God." |
Subject: Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf |
Bible Note: "This might help if you would explain what you mean by these terms. To me, the 'kingdom' and 'sonship' are all related to salvation. When someone is saved, they become part of the kingdom and a son." The way this went on the board doesn't please me. Lets try my response again, Tim. Give me a two outta three on this one. First of when one is sincerely born again he/she becomes a "child" of God. Reference to this sort of thing is found in Isa. where it says "For unto us a child is born". Then the child is turned over to household schoolmaster to be tutored to become a 'son'. That's the way it was back then. But nowhere is the child NOT a son at this point with regards to who he belongs to but he given over to a tutillage until he becomes of age to begin handling the affairs of the Father... This is spoken of also in Isa. when it speaks of a "son is given". 'Mother', the Church, is typified in this. i.e., Made responsible to train the child to become a son. This pattern was established with the baby Jesus, the child born, whose responsibility Mary, the pattern for Mother Church, was given to nurture young Jesus to Sonship. We can safely say that the Church is to protect and nurture the innocent new born in the ways of the kingdom, Father's government, that he be able to handle Father's affairs. Nowhere should Mother ever usurp Father's authority. She should never come up with her own doctrine. But we see that happening today. To be saved is to be redeemed. But when Paul say's "work out your salvation with fear and trembling", he is refering to becoming a mature son in God's kingdom. The tutillage coming from the Holy Spirit and judged by the leadership of the authority given the church. Note when you read this that He is speaking to the Christians at Philippi. "Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons". So we can see that salvation, in his writing to them, is pertaining to something other than being redeemed or just saved.. |