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NASB Matthew 26:29 "But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom."
AMPLIFIED 2015 Matthew 26:29 "But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom."
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Subject:  What is 'the fruit of the vine'?

Bible Note:  Have you ever heard of the "French Paradox"? Some very interesting scientific research shows that moderate intake of red wine - up to about 3 glasses a day - have exceptional health benefits. People living in the south of France have fewer heart attacks and cancers, in spite of their high fat diet and heavy cigarette smoking! The key difference in their diet is the amount of red wine they consume. Furthermore they have a relatively low percentage of alcoholics compared to the north of France where more brandy is consumed. I know many alcoholics and NONE of them are wine addicts (though addiction to wine is of course possible), they are all spirits drinkers. The Russians are vodka drinkers, spirits not wine. If the problem is with certain types, or concentrations, of alcohol then we need to consider that but the key is always moderation. It is only abuse that leads to drunkenness, not use. Paul told Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach's sake. Wine is good for you in moderation. On the other hand, more than about 4 glasses of wine a day has been shown to begin to have a detrimental effect on health. It is somewhere around this point that the balance is turned. I get better rates on my life assurance if I drink between 1-2 glasses of beer or wine a day than if I abtain. Why is that? Because the insurers see me as a better health risk at that consumption level. Furthermore wine has something like 16 of the 22 essential amino acids and is rich in protein. It is possible to live on wine, bread and oil alone. According to the Jewish Rabbis -- "wine sustains".

With regard to the killing of brain cells. The amount of alcohol consumed affects whether brain cells are killed or not. If you drank in moderation, ie. about 2-3 glasses of wine a day, then this will not be a problem. It is excessive alcohol consumption that kills cells.

Giving my child some diluted wine in small quantities is no different than giving them a teaspoon of cough mixture -- actually the quantity of alcohol will be less. I certainly will not give them enough to "kill cells". In addition my children and I do spend time together "mellowing with Jesus". It does not have to be an either - or. My reason for teaching my children responsible alcohol consumption? Because I have seen so many children sneak out and consume alcohol anyway. My brothers and I did it but without any guidelines about what limits we should set ourselves. I think, personally, this is a better thing to teach my children. Let's not draw lines God has not drawn but rather show our children the lines He HAS drawn and help them stay within those lines.

My question remains -- What was "the fruit of the vine"? All evidence I have found shows that this was an idiom for wine, and wine only, in Jesus day. If that is the case then wine is what we should be using in the Lord's Supper. (Quite aside from any other wine usage we choose to use or not use).

What is the truth? John 8:32 "and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free." NASB

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 What is 'the fruit of the vine'? (?)
  Tim Sheasby
 I do not know where your information com...
  RAVEN
 Thanks for the quotes but . . . 1. Prov...
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 Tim Your case stands on real shaky grou...
  EdB
 Romans 14 Do not destroy the work of Go...
  RAVEN
 Good post, Raven!  No one yet has even b...
  Hank
 Hank GOOD Word!!!!!! EdB
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 Hank, et al. I've heard moderation d...
  srbaegon
 Steve, total abstinence from alcohol can...
  Hank
 Hank, I can agree with this.  Have a ...
  srbaegon
 Hank I'm going to have to disagree w...
  Brian.g
 My dear Brian, to disagree with me makes...
  Hank
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 Brian, your exceeding kindness is eclips...
  Hank
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  richilou_2003
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 Its is because of the blood of Christ th...
  RAVEN
 Raven, Mommapbs wanted me to respond to ...
  Hank
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 Well, Mommapbs, I have my thoughts, cert...
  Hank
 I was hoping that YOU would respond to t...
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 Brother Hank, please forgive me for putt...
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  Hank
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 Greeting Tim! I tried to answer your que...
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  EdB
 Greetings Hank and EdB! Call me an old b...
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  EdB
 Ed: "Would God want to partake of so...
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 Well stated Reformer Joe! I'm getting w...
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  EdB
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 Joe your right if this discussion was go...
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  Tim Sheasby
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  EdB
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 All this person said was true (Although ...
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 Greetings Tim! I checked out your fri...
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 Tim, I will be posting the work of Evely...
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 Greetings Tim! I know I'm looking fo...
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 Again, your Hebrew has me at a disadvant...
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 Greetings Joe! If a word as more than...
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 Tim: You wrote: "If a word as mor...
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 Greetings Joe! Well, if Timothy liked...
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 Dear Brother EdB,  Why does God tell ...
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 Thanks Mommapbs, Your response really...
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