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Subject: Preterism refuted using Scripture alone? |
Bible Note: Jeff, Let me start by saying that you could not be more mistaken. And, you came off rather rude, which is really not necessary in this case. You said that since I originally stated that I had been recently introduced to preterism, and that I have accurately represented the preterist view, I must have an agenda other than the one I stated. I assure you I had no such agenda. I first heard of preterism about two years ago when I read a book by RC Sproul titled, “The Last Days According to Jesus”. It is an excellent book and I recommend it to anyone who is open-minded and searching for truth. Since he is a partial preterist it maintains a futurist perspective, but honestly deals with the issue. I finished it, and it raised many questions in my mind, but I didn’t begin researching the issue seriously until about a year ago. Since I’ve spent many years of my life under the teaching of Dispensationalism, I would consider one year “recent”. Over the past year, as I mentioned in earlier posts, I’ve become obsessed with this perspective. I honestly believe, and have not been persuaded otherwise here, that when one looks at this issue while considering the time-frame context, it is the correct view. It is true, “If your premise is off, your findings will be off”. I was prepared to be shown from Scripture that “my premise” was off. I have the book you recommended by Steve Gregg as well as a few other books on the issue. Gregg’s book does not sufficiently provide answers to the time-frame and audience-relevance issues that I’m looking for. My purpose for entering this forum was to interact with informed, and possibly even scholarly, believers who are familiar with this teaching. Since I’ve tried to present this view to local believers (including my own dad who is a pastor) and have been dismissed, avoided and even laughed at, I was searching for some open-minded thinkers who were not afraid to think “outside the box”, as it were (and apparently my search will continue elsewhere). When I made the comments about my lack of desire to appeal to councils, creeds and tradition, I was aware of the potential backlash. However, I did that in order to continue an interaction that is not possible with authors of commentaries or, for obvious reasons, church fathers. I wanted to hear from others in their own words. I tried to keep the focus of the discussion on the time-frame and audience-relevance perspective because of the tendency to divert the discussion into any and every direction, which would be counter productive to my pursuit. It appears to me now that those of you who are moderating this site (I assume you are a moderator), and a few others who have responded, may not be able to pursue this issue any further. Either you aren’t willing to step outside your “comfort zones”, or you are similar to those in the past who, when backed into a corner, choose to run. And that’s fine with me. Your statement that my view on this topic is divisive is typical of someone who is avoiding an issue to justify one’s own position. Eventually, it will catch up to you (and the others who are avoiding it) and you’ll have to face it. I may be wrong but I think preterism is only beginning to be noticed. With humility and love, Coper |