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NASB | Matthew 16:28 ¶ "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Matthew 16:28 ¶ "I assure you and most solemnly say to you, there are some of those standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." |
Subject: Still not convinced preterism is false |
Bible Note: Hi Jonp, One passage of clear teaching is perfectly adequate, in my opinion, to show a matter. I believe this is part of a progressive revelation that is also taught elsewhere in the Bible, though this is the most clear: Revelation 20:1-10 (1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, (3) And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. (4) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (5) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. (6) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (7) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, (8) And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. (9) And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. (10) And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. As chapter 19 prophesies the second coming, this seems rather specific to me. Certainly we may disagree, and I am aware that a great many believe as you do. "Such huge round numbers were rarely if ever used literally." What do you base this conclusion on? There are specific places where terminology is used of uncertain numbers (a multitude which no man could number - Rev 7, for instance.) There were the stock brokers, the military leaders, the census takers, the weavers, herders, and so on, all of these dealt with large but none-the-less specific numbers. "The 'thousand years, is the ideal period ahead for Christians before His coming." In the Book of the Revelation, it is presented as happening after Jesus' coming. Now, regardless of how you place the timing of this, if you read it literally, then it doesn't allow 1000 to become "a bunch, who knows how many", and it follows the second coming. If you want to show how it actually means "a large indeterminate number", you need to be able to show me From The Text how it means that. "But I do object (in friendly fashion) to your saying that I am not interpreting the Scripture literally." I appreciate that we can disagree in a friendly manner! But haven't you basically said that "1000 years" is not actually 1000 years, in terms of 1000 orbits of the earth around the sun? Would this not them by interpreting 1000 years symbolically and not literally? Love in Christ, Mark |