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1 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35557 | ||
Brother John I too enjoy all our discussions; To answer your question to the best of my knowledge: You asked: "My question is: Why do some men hate the light but other men love the Light." Scripture says: John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. John 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. They enjoy sin and evil deeds, and reject what light they have been given. Grace Peace and love in the precious name of Christ Jesus our blessed Savior and Lord. zach† |
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2 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 35570 | ||
Dear Zacht, Your answer is well thought out and seems to be supported by Scripture. But would'nt that answer imply that some men are created with a natural inclination to the light (those that do the truth) While other men are created with a natural disinclination for the light(those who do evil)? Another difficulty that arises fom your answer is found in Romans: Rom 3:11 THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; Rom 3:12 ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE." Paul is here summarizing all he has said in the first and second chapters of Romans about the condition of mankind. Which brings us back to square one. Do you want us to continue to search together? I can tell you what I think the answer is, but I would rather we reason it out as a team. After all I am as fallible as the next guy and I am open to changing my mind if we find the truth of the matter, together in Scripture. I am leaving for church now, and will not be able to logon again till early tommoro morning. Your Brother John |
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3 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35588 | ||
dear brother John; When I personally consider an answer to any question, I first must see what scripture says: Secondly, I begin to collect my thoughts, whether correct, or incorrect, considering such things as the fall of the human race through the sin of Adam, and how everyone since the fall has been born dead spiritually, with an inherited sin nature. and cannot will to please God. But at the same time I also believe that when regeneration comes to the individual, and that from God. We then have been given new natures, our will to do good and please God has been restored back from the original fall. But at the same time when the light comes to many individuals, they reach for the light switch and say no thank you to the light they received. But if I go any deeper into this topic then I would have to bring up the fact of how I also disagree with the "Irresistable Grace" of TULIP also, and seeing how the initial question was concerning "Limited Atonement" also called "Particular Redemption" I will try to stick to the initial question, and reserve the "Irresistable Grace" thoughts for later. Those are just some thoughts I share about my line of thinking, and when all is said and done, I still have to go back to scripture, as I know you also do to find correct answers concerning spiritual matters. May God richly bless you as you daily spend time alone with Him in His word zach† |
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4 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 35663 | ||
Dear Brother Zacht, Greetings from the desert (I live in Arizona). In Your last post you said: "I also believe that when regeneration comes to the individual, and that from God. We then have been given new natures, our will to do good and please God has been restored back from the original fall. I think it is absolutely necessary for us to be on the same track when we use words such as "regeneration", would'nt you agree? I have included the definition from Easton's Bible Dictionary. If you have a different definition, please tell me what it is. Easton's Bible Dictionary Regeneration [N] [B] only found in Matthew 19:28 and Titus 3:5. This word literally means a "new birth." The Greek word so rendered (palingenesia) is used by classical writers with reference to the changes produced by the return of spring. In Matthew 19:28 the word is equivalent to the "restitution of all things" (Acts 3:21). In Titus 3:5 it denotes that change of heart elsewhere spoken of as a passing from death to life (1 John 3:14); becoming a new creature in Christ Jesus (2 Corinthians 5:17); being born again (John 3:5); a renewal of the mind (Romans 12:2); a resurrection from the dead (Ephesians 2:6); a being quickened (2:1,5). This change is ascribed to the Holy Spirit. It originates not with man but with God (John 1:12,13; 1 John 2:29; 5:1,4). As to the nature of the change, it consists in the implanting of a new principle or disposition in the soul; the impartation of spiritual life to those who are by nature "dead in trespasses and sins." The necessity of such a change is emphatically affirmed in Scripture (John 3:3; Romans 7:18; 8:7-9; 1 Corinthians 2:14; Ephesians 2:1; 4:21-24). Does your understanding of "regeneration" agree wih the above definition. If not, please help me to more fully understand your meaning of the word. The reason I ask is your post implies that: A person can be "born again from above" and still reject Christ and ultimately be damned to Hell. Such an opinion denys the security of our salvation. I'm sure you did not intend to say that. For God says: He 13:5 "I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee". God Bless Zackt, John Adams |
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5 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35769 | ||
dear brother John; Yes thats is an agreeable definition of regeneration. It works for me. You quoted the following verse: Heb. 13:5 "I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee". I believe that with all my heart. However scipture also says: Thus saith the Lord, ye have forsaken me, and therefore have I also left you (2 Chr. 12:5) The Lord is with you, while ye be with him ... but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you. (2 Chr. 15:2) because ye have forsaken the Lord, he hath also forsaken you. (2 Chr. 24:20) I will even forsake you saith the Lord. (Jer. 23:33) Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you ... and cast you out of my presence. (Jer. 23:39) God will never just decide to forsake any believer, ever! Yet, the believer may decide to forsake Him. Once a believer has forsaken God He then will give them up to themselves and forsake them. This does not contradict that He will never leave or forsake a believer, rather it affirms that God is not the one who does the forsaking. If we fall from the faith, it doesn’t reflect negatively upon God’s faithfulness, but rather on our unfaithfulness So from all of my replys thus far, I have stated: 1) I do not personally accept "Limited Atonement teaching 2) I disagree with the teaching of "Irresistable Grace" 3) and now I have declared to also be in disagreement with the teaching of "Perseverance of the Saints" But I respectfully disagree with those teachings, and still enjoy all your replys. I believe we can disagree on the non-essentials of our faith and still be brothers in Christ. It is in the areas of essentials that we are possibly in much greater agreement. essentials such as, Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, He was buried, and He was raised from the dead on the third day, and is now seated on the right hand of God the Father interceding before Him on our behalf. And that no one comes to the Father except through Christ Jesus. By grace are we saved through faith, and that not of ourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast. For we are God's workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. God richly bless you as you daily spend time with Him in His word, looking prayerfully unto Him for guidance and direction. zach† |
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6 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 35780 | ||
Dear Brother Zackt, A hearty Amen to your statement about those essentials of the faith we both love and believe. But you know me well enough to realize, if I do not agree on the validity of your scripture proofs as they apply to the question at hand, I will offer my opinion on why they do not apply. I guess I'm just a hard-headed calvinist (Ha, Ha). Let me begin by pointing out that Sherimiah's prophecy in (2Chr 12:5) is addressed to the princes of Judah. Not to the elect of Israel. Do you recall Pauls discription of who God's People are? (Rom 9:6-8) But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; nor are they all children because they are Abraham's descendants, but:"THROUGH ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS WILL BE NAMED." That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants. It's getting late I'll finish tommorro, God willing. Brother John |
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