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1 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35264 | ||
Dear brother Adams: I myself have not even scratched the surface of this topic. So I posted it to discuss my findings, wait for correction when needed, and learn from everyone. Brother Tim Moran has made excellent points in this discussion and I too appreciate him very much. We can all benefit from a discussion of this sort. With Christ-like love zach† |
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2 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 35312 | ||
Dear Brother Zacht, I am indebted to Tim in more ways than one. Tim's First post to you in response to your question, "Is Limited Atonement Biblical", has formed the basis for my reply. Tim listed a number of scriptures to support his arguement in opposition to this doctrine. I have been attempting, in my own poor way, to answer Tim's interpretation by offering questions that challenge his position and by providing Scripture that support Limited Atonement. My primary goal is to show that the doctrine is indeed Biblical (Scriptual), by setting forth those Scriptures that stand in support of This doctrine. Secondly, I hope to prove that the opposing position (Unconditional Atonement) is the one which is not supported by scripture. The primary benefit I hope to see happen is, that those who participate in this debate and those who watch from the sidelines will be inspired to look at their own beliefs and subject them to the test of the Scriptures themselves. In that way all win. God Bless Brother John |
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3 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35348 | ||
Dear brother John; If you go back to the initial post, where I asked this question that started this discussion, you will see that I gave personal background information about my self. In that, I shared, how I began my life with Christ as a Calvinist. I accepted and believed in all the 5 points of Calvinism. I read Calvin. I was taught Calvinism, I fellowshipped 2 or more times a week with Calvinist's. It was only after a long period of time spent in God's word, that the teachings of Calvinism became to appear more and more unScriptural to me. These days, the more I look into God's word, the more I personally see the errors of that teaching. So it's not as if I haven't looked at or ever studied Calvinistic teachings, because I have. These days I get accused of being an Arminian. I have not yet come to the point where I can personally say I am an Arminian. If any of my thoughts seem to reflect the Arminian position on this topic, it is not because I have studied Arminian teaching, rather my thoughts have been formed about this soley due to God's word. Currently I attend and am a member of a Christian Missionary Alliance Church. Now if you check into what they believe, I think you will see that they are not considered as being Arminian. At this time I enjoy attending there, and have felt I have the liberty at this church to express my conclusions drawn from Scripture. In the past seven years, I have taught adult Sunday school classes, and continue to lead an in-home small cell group. Even within the church I attend, we don't all agree with each other on all topics. Among the attenders and members, we have disagreements on things like the timing of the rapture, eternal security, etc. etc. But we do agree that each of us must be convinced about the truth, not through denominational creeds or catechism's etc. but rather be convinced about what we each believe through Scripture, which is our final authority for all faith and practice. I hope this helps you to understand me a bit better. In your reply, you mentioned "Unconditional Atonement" Did you mean Unlimited Atonement. Was that a mere typo? Finally, scripture says: "He died for all" 2 Cor. 5:15 Savation has been made universally available to all. Being made universally available doesn't mean all will be saved. Only those who appropriate that free offer of salvation by faith will receive it. He is the propitiation for our sins, but NOT FOR OUR SINS ONLY, but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:2 Let me finish my reply to you with something I agree with that Calvinist, Charles Spurgeon once said: In his sermon on Sunday morning, March 24, 1861, on Isaiah 1:18, Spurgeon said: Some of my brethren go to the length of asserting that there are no universal INVITAIONS in the Word of God. I have a big net this morning -- Oh, that we might all be caught in its meshes! There is not one of us today who can be exempt from this INVITATION; NONE ARE EXCLUDED hence, BUT THOSE WHO DO THEMSELVES EXCLUDE; With Christ-like love zach_† |
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4 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 35383 | ||
Hello Brother Zacht, I sincerely appreciate tour reply. It is my hope that we all may get to know each other thru our correspondence. I did read your initial post and I have taken into account your disagreement with calvinist (Reformed) theology. If I understand you correctly, you said that you were once a part of a church that that taught doctrines that ,over time, thru your personnal study of scripture,you came to disagree with.(The same thing happened to me, but I came to agree with the calvinists). Further down in your letter you state that you now have the liberty to express your conclusions based on Scripture and are not compelled to accept the interpretations of creeds or catechisms etc. I hope I have stated your contention accurately. If that was your problem I can't blame you for leaving. In my denomination (Presbyterian Church in America) the leadership would be brought before the session and disciplined for straying from the the Westminster Confession of Faith teaching which is: IX. The infallible rule of interpretation of Scripture, is the Scripture itself; and therefore, when there is a question about the true and full sense of any scripture (which is not manifold, but one), it may be searched and known by other places that speak more clearly. X. The Supreme Judge, by which all controversies of religion are to be determined, and all decress of councils, opinions of ancient writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits, are to be examined, and in whose sentence we are to rest, can be no other but the Holy Spirit speaking in the Scripture. I did mean to say Unlimited Atonement. Thanks for catching that for me. Just one of the reasons I need my brothers. Your Brother, John |
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5 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35426 | ||
John; I too hope we can get to better know each other, through this forum and our correspondance. Which denomination did you belong to before joining the PC USA? I agree the Holy Spirit is the only teacher which is referred to as the Spirit of truth and He has promised to guide us and teach us (John 14:26 and John 16:13 Also: "ye need not that any man teach you" 1 John 2:27 Below are a few questions we need to ask ourselves: Are the Holy Scriptures or the majority of popular teachers who hold to a particular doctrine the deciding factor that makes that doctrine correct? Are the notes in a study Bible inspired, like the actual Scriptures, or can these notes reflect the erroneous views of the commentator(s)? Are religious creeds and confessions man-made and, therefore, possibly in error? If a creed, confession, synod, etc. is contradicted by Scripture should we immediately reject it? Since many with an earned doctorate degree contradict each other and themselves, doesn't this further prove spiritual understanding doesn't come that way? Lastly: a quote by my favorite Christian writter: “The Scriptures, to be understood, must be read with the same Spirit that originally inspired them.” A.W. Tozer Grace and peace zach_† |
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6 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 35484 | ||
Howdy Brother Zacht, I believe we are now getting real close to the heart of the matter. In answer to your first question, I am a member of the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA). We split from the Presbyterian Church USA 40 or so years ago over some of the very issues we are looking at today, namely, where is the supreme authority, regarding the truth of God, to be found? Is it to be found in the Church (Creeds, Confessions, Catechisms etc.) or in the written Word of God Himself? My church and every other truly reformed denomination I know of says emphatically, The Bible alone is the ultimate authority! That the Bible is the rule by which all other teaching is to be measured and judged. On our Sunday Bulletin we print a general list of what we believe as a part of the Body of Christ. one part of this list of 5 affirmations is called Sola Scriptura (Scripture Alone): We affirm the inerrant Scripture to be the sole source of written divine revelation, which alone can bind the conscience. The Bible alone teaches all that is necessary for our salvation from sin and is the standard by which all Christian behavior must be measured. We deny that any creed, council or individual may bind a Christian's consciecnce, that the Holy Spirit speaks independently of or contrary to what is set forth in the Bible, or that personal spiritual experience can ever be a vehicle of revelation. God has given us teachers. It is a calling that a number of the church have recieved. (1 Cor 12:28) "And God has appointed in the church, first apostles,second prophets, third teachers". It is an awesome resposibility and we must not approach it lightly: (James 3:1) Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment. Having established that the written Word of God is supreme, Should we throw away all those old dusty teachings? I say no! Although they were written by fallible men they are as much a part of our Christian heritage as the Constitution is a part of our American heritage. They have proven to be of great value, not only to me, but to the Church thru the ages. It is true: We are to test everything we are told by the rule of Scripture and to reject all that contradicts or is not in conformity with the Word of God. That being said, the teachers whom God has provided the Church down thru the centuries, have contributed a valuable legacy that we should praise God for. Your thoughts? God Bless Zacht, Brother John but it is an awesome resposibility for the Bible says they will |
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