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1 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | benjamite | 34672 | ||
Hello Zach, I will answer your question, but I will say that this will never be resolved here. It is too easy for emotions to get in the way (for those on all sides). I do not intend to persuade you. I only want to present my view. (Do watch yourself, you are not at fault, but you aren't the first person to bring this up.) I do not agree with those who hold to particular redemption (aka "limited atonement"). I base this on verses like John 3:16; Romans 5:6; 1 John 2:2; et al. I do, however see strong Biblical support for the other four points. The definitions come primarily out of "The Potter's Freedom" by James White (good author, and I thought the definitions were good, but I disagree with his view of Particular Redemption). Total Depravity - Man is dead in sin, with every aspect of his being affected by the fall, unable to save himself. (Romans 3:10ff; Ephesians 2:1) Unconditional Election - God's choice is not based on anything man has done, but on Himself, alone. (Romans 9:15-16,18) Limited atonement - I touched on why I disagree with Particular Redemption at the top. Irresistible Grace - Luke 14:23, John 6:44. Note that God "compels" them to come in. "nobody comes to me unless he is drawn by My Father" Perseverance of the Saints or Eternal Security - Philippians 1:6 - He who began a work will perfect it until the day of Christ. Romans 8:28-39 - As far as God is concerned, even our glorification is assured, and that hasn't happened yet. (I view "glorified" as being proleptic (past tense to describe something that is assured, even though still future)). I would love to hear your thoughts. In Him, Benjamite |
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2 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 34802 | ||
Dear Benjamin, I believe the problem most christians have with Limited Atonement is caused by confusion over the term itself. Pehaps that is why there are so many different names for this doctrine, Particular Redemption, General Atonement, Definite Atonement and probably some others I am not aware of. Maybe we can blame the fellow who originated the acrostic TULIP! I would appreciate it if you would take a critical look at what I have posted thus far regarding this topic, and let me know if I'm missing something (My marbles maybe?). God Bless, John |
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3 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | benjamite | 34820 | ||
Dear John, I admit, I have not read all the postings yet, but I assure you, I am not confused by the term. To quote James White, (in his defense of Calvinism, "The Potter's Freedom"), Limited Atonement says that, "The intention of Christ in His cross-work was to save His people specifically. Therefore, Christ's sacrifice is perfect and complete, for it actually accomplishes perfect redemption." I strongly disagree with the premise. Christ did die for, and was good enough to save, everybody - the world. 1 John 2:2 "propitiation for the sins of the whole world" Romans 5:6 "Christ died for the ungodly (all of them)." Romans 5:8 may personalize this, but 5:6 says for "the ungodly" without qualification. John 3:16 "God so loved the world, that whosoever..." Hebrews 2:9 "He might taste death for everyone" 2 Peter 2:1 speaks of false prophets, "denying the Master who bought them" In Him, Benjamite |
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4 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 34869 | ||
Dear Ben, I have no problem with any of the sciptures you quoted, because the Reformed have always said that Christ's Sacrifice on the cross was sufficent to save each and every person who ever existed or who will ever exist. However only those who trust in Christ will have their sins atoned for as a result of His shed blood. That is the reason that the doctrine calls the atonement limited. It is limited by the number of people whom God has elected unto salvation. Those who argue against Limited Atonement are really arguing against Unconditional Election, Which is another doctrine I would be happy to discuss if someone brought it up. God Bless Benjamite, John |
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