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1 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 34584 | ||
Greetings John! In his article, Dabney specically said that Jesus did not die in the same way for Judas as He did Paul or Peter. That is the part that I reject. He died for all, but not all receive His gift. Concerning John 17, read the statements Jesus makes about those for whom He is praying. He was with them, taught them, and protected them. He even alludes to Judas in v. 12. Then, in verse 20, He refers to those who will believe through their message. I still think the disciples are in view here. However, even if this is not the case, the passage does not say that His atonement is limited in extent! :-) If you read my post on the "world" in John, I listed every single occurance. You will find that there isn't any variation in meaning. You Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 34590 | ||
Dear Tim, If, as Dabney claims and Easton's Bible Dictionary confirms, that atonement is the same word as reconciliation then atonement would necessarily have to be limited. The alternative to Limited Atonement, as set forth, is Universal Atonement! All mankind would be reconciled to God by Christ's death and we know that thats not true. Why anyone should have a problem with this doctrine is beyond me. I really believe people who have a problem with limited atonement just do not understand the meaning of the word. It's either that, or they rather put up a strawman that can easily be knocked down. Of course, I don't place you, Tim, in the latter category. I have been extremely gratified and delighted with our exchanges, but golly gee it seems mighty plain and biblical to me! Looking forward to your reply, Bro. John |
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3 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 34592 | ||
Greetings John! Thanks for the kind words! :-) You are correct, the word translated atonement in Rom. 5:11 is 'reconcilation'. The problem is that there is no one Greek word for 'atonement'. There are several: reconcilation, propitation, ect... However, the word 'katallage' found in Rom. 5:11 is used three other times in the NT. Whatever the word means, in the other three occurances it applies to the whole world. To me, the conflict in our views is based upon unconditional election to salvation. Under Calvinism, all for whom Christ died must be saved, because it has been determined sovereignly. Therefore, He could not have died for the rest. Under Arminianism, Christ died for all, but they must also be reconciled to God (2 Cor. 5:20). To use the analogy of a gift. Salvation was purchased for and offered to all. But, only those who receive it partake of it's benefits. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 34595 | ||
Dear Tim, God Bless you, I can't tell you how much you've blessed me thru your patient and thoughtful conversation. I was sure that that the problem was one of terms. Can I count you in as a one point calvinist? (ha,ha, just kidding). I must leave for church now. Talk to you later, Bro. John |
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