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1 | WHO pays the wage? | 1 John 1:9 | Dalcent | 134702 | ||
Where I stand on the matter of salvation by works? In half a verse? ...faith working (ENERGEO) through love. (NASB) ....faith activated and energized and expressed and WORKING through love. (AMP) NOT by faith alone, we only find that once in the Bible: James 2:24 (ESV) You see that a person is justified by works and NOT by faith alone. I don't care what the central tenet of the Reformation was, it's no Holy Cow to me. I prefer the Biblical texts to medieval backsliders. Dalcent |
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2 | WHO pays the wage? | 1 John 1:9 | Mommapbs | 134716 | ||
Dalcent - Whose works - yours or Jesus Christ's? | ||||||
3 | WHO pays the wage? | 1 John 1:9 | Dalcent | 134740 | ||
To quote my Catholic study Bible: Works done by our own strength without the grace of God and without faith in him are vain. This is the Catholic teaching on faith AND works. A Catholic would never separate faith AND works in explaining justification, hence the rejection of 'faith alone'. We would never say like Luther we could commit adultery 100 times and it not affect our justification. Faith without works in dead. God bless Dalcent |
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4 | WHO pays the wage? | 1 John 1:9 | Mommapbs | 134746 | ||
Dalcent - so am I to assume it's ok to commit adultery 99 times? What about one time? For which act of adultery will God condemn the believer? (Romans 8:1) I submit that most believer commit "spiritual adultery" when we chose to live to the flesh. Aside from the obvious carnal behaviors, we live to the flesh when we believe that we must either earn our salvation or work to keep it. This is performance Christianity. There is NOTHING we can do to make God love us any more or any less than He does "while we were yet sinners . . . (Romans 5:8-10) Blessings, mommapbs |
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5 | WHO pays the wage? | 1 John 1:9 | Dalcent | 134755 | ||
Mommabps, I am at a loss to understand why you would put this theory of yours above the clearer teaching of scripture. What do you want 1200 scriptures contradicting your hypothesis? 2Ti 2:12 if we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us; Heb 10:26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, Jam 2:14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? Heb 10:38 but my righteous one shall live by faith, and if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him." Jam 1:26 If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless. 1Pe 1:17 And if you call on him as Father who judges impartially according to each one's deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile, Jam 2:17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 1Co 15:1 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, 1Co 15:2 and by which you are being saved, if you HOLD FAST to the word I preached to you--unless you believed in VAIN. Jam 2:24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 1Jo 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. 2Pe 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 2Pe 2:21 For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. 2Pe 2:22 What the true proverb says has happened to them: "The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire." 1Jo 5:16 If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life--to those who commit sins that do not lead to death. There is sin that leads to death; I do not say that one should pray for that. 1Co 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 1Co 5:11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler--not even to eat with such a one. Jam 4:4 You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. Jam 5:19 My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, Jam 5:20 let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins. 1Pe 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 2Co 13:2 I warned those who sinned before and all the others, and I warn them now while absent, as I did when present on my second visit, that if I come again I will not spare them-- Gal 6:9 And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up. What is the point of continuing; you have a Bible you've read all this already I presume. How about dropping jargon like 'performance Christianity' and read the Word, in its plain sense , not pretending each verse I quoted means the opposite because what you bring to the Bible demands it. Dalcent |
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6 | WHO pays the wage? | 1 John 1:9 | Morant61 | 134760 | ||
Greetings Dalcent! There is a possible middle position. That position could be summed up as 'acts of sin' cannot effect our salvation, but the gift of salvation can be rejected. This would seem to do justice to the Scriptures quoted by both sides. I would be curious as to how you would respond to the following passages from your perspective. Jude 24 - "To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— 25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen." If we can cease to be 'saved' by commiting an act of sin, can God really keep us from falling? And, Rom. 8:39 - "neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Is our salvation a hoped for future event, or is it an accomplished fact? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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7 | WHO pays the wage? | 1 John 1:9 | Dalcent | 134769 | ||
According to the JOINT LUTHERAN-CATHOLIC DECLARATION ON THE DOCTRINE OF JUSTIFICATION 1997. Catholics and Lutherans are 'now able to articulate a common understanding of our justification by God's grace through faith in Christ' The document is at http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/jddj.htm and articulates my position far better than I can. Dalcent |
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8 | WHO pays the wage? | 1 John 1:9 | Morant61 | 134792 | ||
Greetings Dalcent! I'm still trying to get the entire page to load! :-) While searching for another site to download it from, I found a Lutheran critique of the Declaration. Just to provide the proverbial 'fair and balanced' view, here is the link for that site: http://www.ctsfw.edu/ctq/joint.htm Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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