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1 | Rowdy, Rowdy, are you sure? | 1 Tim 2:9 | PasserBy | 132029 | ||
Rowdy, Rowdy, are you sure? Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers. And he saith unto them, “Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men”. And they straightway left their nets, and followed him. And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, “If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. “And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. “For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? … Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand? “So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple”. |
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2 | Rowdy, Rowdy, are you sure? | 1 Tim 2:9 | WalkingTalkingBible | 132083 | ||
PasserBy, I understand your view, but remember, conversion is a process. Those young women are making a transition, like we all are. Remember when God first saved you? Did you go from sinner to perfect saint? No, none of us do. It's a process. It seems that the church these young women are attending is providing the love (of God) needed to grow spiritually. If more churches would focus on loving, instead of preaching with condemnation all the time, more souls will be drawn to God. Just as God has patience and longsuffers with us, we must have patience and long suffer with other souls. Let's celebrate the fact that these young women have chosen Christ and let's pray for them that they fall in love with God to the point that they will make all the necessary sacrifices needed to walk successfully with Him. Freely you have received, freely give. Share what God has shared with you. WalkingTalkingBible |
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3 | Rowdy, Rowdy, are you sure? | 1 Tim 2:9 | DocTrinsograce | 132092 | ||
Ma'am, I am not arguing your point. However, I am curious. (1) On what scriptures do you base the conclusion that "conversion is a process?" (2) If Romans 10:17 and Romans 10:14, how can the reduction of preaching cause "more souls" to be "drawn to God?" Hopefully I have understood your statements and have faithfully reproduced your position. Thank you... I look forward to your response. (Forensic Scientist: Cool!) |
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4 | Rowdy, Rowdy, are you sure? | 1 Tim 2:9 | EdB | 132102 | ||
Doc Let me interject. All of the New Testament shows us the process that the disciples and early Christians went through. Some may call this salvation process, others may call this the walk of sanctification and still others would call this growing to Christian maturity. We can nit pick and argue semantics all night but the fact remains in each Christian there is a time of maturing call it what you will. Let take Peter. Peter was called and he answered but process wasn't complete until three years later as we see him stand before the people and preach Jesus crucified and resurrected And even after this we see Peter continue his learning and growing process. If we back up and observe Peter we see him when he steps out into the water but then taking his eyes off Jesus. We see receive correction and direction when he asks Jesus if they should build a memorial on the mountain, or when they wanted to call down fire on the city, We follow him through highs and his lows. His high when he through the Holy Spirit confesses Jesus is the Son of God and his low when he denies Jesus. Then once more his restoration as Jesus asks him Peter do you love me. Whatever you call it there is a process that we all go through when we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. I think we may even called it learning to lean. We say Jesus you’re my Lord and my Savior but every few of us just like Peter do a complete surrender at that time and often this surrender occurs over time with many steps forward and some backward. In some cases that complete surrender may never come. Before you argue and tell me I’m all wrong just let me say, I’m not talking about putting a rock in your shoe as work of contrition to make us acceptable to God. The minute you accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior through the grace of God you become a child of God’s however you have a lot of maturing and growing to do before your completely grown. Now to the other subject I don’t think WalkingTalkingBible (and I may be putting words in their mouth and if I am I apologize) is saying stop preaching and start loving. I think their saying the loving needs to be expressed in the preaching. The Word is a sword and as such we can use it as skill surgeon to help remove a diseased part from the body or we can swing it abandon and let the pieces fall where they may. What many call preaching today is more like oratorical dissertation rather than what Paul had in mind when he wrote Romans. God promised His words would not return void, we receive no such promise for our words. Today many practice at length to hone their oratorical skills, to crisp up their presentation, catch the audiences attention, yes even to emotional stir, but every little to expounding the word in a precise exegesis of that word. Many who preach today would rather elicit and emotional response often called conviction than presenting a clear understanding of the word. God’s scripture does cause conviction in many cases but it always carries a healing balm when properly applied. I think this is what WalkingTalkingBible was saying. Again I do pray I did not put words into WalkingTalkingBible’s mouth. EdB |
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5 | Rowdy, Rowdy, are you sure? | 1 Tim 2:9 | DocTrinsograce | 132103 | ||
"I do pray I did not put words into WalkingTalkingBible’s mouth." Ummmmm... There was an easy way to have insured that that prayer would have been answered affirmatively. :-) (I'm just teasing you, bro!) Your example of Peter, though Biblical, is rendering doctrine from a narrative incident. Do you -- and/or perhaps others -- have any additional scriptures to support this procedural view of soteriology? Regarding preaching, I agree with your evaluation of much of what passes for preaching in American churches today -- though I think we would agree that it is not what is meant in scripture by the word. I do have another question: If John 7:7, 15:18, and 1 Peter 2:8, how can preaching of the Word be made more loving? Thank you, brother Ed, for your thoughts. I continue to look forward to WalkingTalkingBible's response. |
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6 | Rowdy, Rowdy, are you sure? | 1 Tim 2:9 | EdB | 132105 | ||
Your example of Peter, though Biblical, is rendering doctrine from a narrative incident???? Perhaps that is why God gave us a Bible instead of a list of doctrines. EdB |
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7 | Rowdy, Rowdy, are you sure? | 1 Tim 2:9 | DocTrinsograce | 132106 | ||
Take it easy, Brother Ed... calm, rational, discussion of the Word can yield rich rewards. If I do not ask questions, how will I come to a clearer understanding of your position? Let me explain my statement regarding doctrine. In my tradition we believe that God gave us didactic scriptures to explain the narrative. Titus 1:9 and other places suggest that sound doctrine always has its basis in instruction. If you base your conversion-as-a-process doctrine solely on the example of Peter, it is really okay. I honestly do not mind ... nor do I think less of you. I was just hoping that there was more to it than that. Soteriology fascinates me. I don't think we can plumb the depths of the subject. I am well aware that your traditional roots differ from my own. I do not expect our views to be identical. Perhaps that is why your thoughts interest me so much. Furthermore, I was not taking exception to what you had posted. I was just trying to gain greater clarity. For example, we have other narrative examples (Zacchaeus, Paul, and others) of sudden conversions. How do these fit your exegesis? Now, if you can relax a little bit, perhaps you will be kind enough to answer my questions. I promise you that I am not trying to bait you. |
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8 | Rowdy, Rowdy, are you sure? | 1 Tim 2:9 | EdB | 132117 | ||
Doc Salvation is started suddenly but its completion occurs over time. Remember I said once we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior and place our trust in nothing but Him for our salvation we become God children. However it takes time to really learn to trust in Him and Him alone. As humans we seem to take one of two ditches. The first ditch is the one where we try to make ourselves holy instead of letting the Holy Spirit clean us up. In the second ditch we do nothing saying we are saved bless God unless preacher convicts me of it I ain’t changing I’m living the good life. The Bible and the stories it contains is more that narrative to carry us to the next directive if you will. Our relationship with God is as a Child and Father and He has provided us His Word to bring us closer to Him in that relationship. However many times we approach the Bible not as love letter written by the Father to his children but rather as a text book written to provide facts. When we approach the Bible from the text book stand point we sometimes become very myopic and fail to see the whole truth contained within. When we reach that point we have a tendency to make and or support our points with proof texts. Ignoring the real picture that scripture paints we focus on a few verses and try to blow them up until they fill our view. The Pharisees knew the law, they could quote it verbatim what they lacked was an understanding of the law. God wasn’t trying to structure their lives to the point they had to count their steps to the outhouse on the Sabbath but instead to give them a day to rest in Him. How often we miss the real story as we focus on a doctrine position. Our whole lives is a learning, growing process. This process is duplicated with our earthly parents should we not expect the same process with out heavenly Father? Our relationship with God ( I use relationship so we don’t stumble all over the word salvation, sanctification, Christian walk, walk toward holiness etc) is on going and never really completed until we stand before God and hear well done good and faithful servant and even then I expect we will receive new direction and new paths to walk. EdB |
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