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1 | Did Jesus die spiritually? | 2 Cor 5:21 | gracefull | 83458 | ||
Thanks Tim, your points are well taken. Do you believe/or not that when Jesus said "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" that this is a literal statement or not? God bless |
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2 | Did Jesus die spiritually? | 2 Cor 5:21 | Radioman2 | 83466 | ||
AMPLIFIED 2 Corinthians 5:21 "For our sake He made Christ [VIRTUALLY] to be sin..." (Emphasis added.) virtual (defined) 1 : "being such in essence or effect though not formally recognized or admitted (a virtual dictator) nearly (synonym of virtually) "2 a : almost but not quite (nearly identical) (nearly a year later)" (www.m-w.com) Gracefull: [While the following may not be the complete answer to your question, I believe it will shed some light on the subject. -- Radioman2] Why have you forsaken me? Mark 15:34 "Jesus felt keenly His abandonment by the Father, resulting from God's wrath being poured out on Him as the substitute for sinners." (p. 1500, MacArthur Study Bible, Word Publishing, 1997) 2 Cor 5:21 "'sin for us.' God the Father, using the principle of imputation, treated Christ as if He were a sinner though He was not, and had Him die as a substitute to pay the penalty for the sins of those who believe in Him. On the cross, He did not become a sinner (as some suggest), but remained as holy as ever. He was treated as if He were guilty of all the sins ever committed by all who would ever believe, though He committed none. The wrath of God was exhausted on Him and the just requirement of God's law met for those for whom He died." (p. 1772, MacArthur Study Bible, Word Publishing, 1997) |
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3 | Did Jesus die spiritually? | 2 Cor 5:21 | Radioman2 | 83470 | ||
THE ATONEMENT OF CHRIST AND THE "FAITH" MESSAGE 'We will be examining the message as expounded by two recognized leaders of the [WOF] movement: Kenneth E. Hagin and Kenneth (and Gloria) Copeland. (...) [Note by Radioman2: Ellipses in this post represent lengthy quotations from Hagin and Copeland. Space limitations prevent me from including their quotes here. To read the entire article, including quotes and footnote references, go to (www.equip.org/free/DP060.htm)] 'When examining the "Faith" teaching on this subject, two "truths" stand out. It is taught that Jesus "died spiritually" and that, therefore, Jesus had to be born-again. Let's take a closer look at the "what" and the "why" of these views. 'The place to begin is, obviously, to define "spiritual death." (...) 'According to the "Faith" message, spiritual death is more than a separation from God; it entails a distinct change in nature. Spiritual death includes having, in some sense, Satan's nature. 'Building upon this, as we look at the Atonement, we need to next understand whether this "spiritual death" is what Christ suffered for us. (...) 'So it is clear that Jesus, according to these men, suffered the same spiritual death that Adam suffered. In some significant way, His nature must have changed as He took our sin nature -- and hence "Satan's nature" or "spiritual death" -- as His own. But, for such a one as Christ Jesus, what are the implications of this spiritual death? (...) 'Dramatic indeed! And what do these excerpts teach us about Jesus' spiritual death? His nature was radically altered and He was ushered into hell to suffer for three days and nights.' ____________________ Excerpted from: THE ATONEMENT OF CHRIST AND THE "FAITH" MESSAGE by Brian Onken (www.equip.org/free/DP060.htm) |
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4 | Did Jesus die spiritually? | 2 Cor 5:21 | Radioman2 | 83473 | ||
Part 2. THE ATONEMENT OF CHRIST AND THE "FAITH" MESSAGE 'We will be examining the message as expounded by two recognized leaders of the [WOF] movement: Kenneth E. Hagin and Kenneth (and Gloria) Copeland. ( . . . ) 'At this point, although it may not be fully clear what the Lord did experience in His death on the cross, it is evident that it did not include a spiritual death which resulted in His becoming a mere mortal man. To so assert, in the absence of any biblical warrant, is to move beyond sound doctrine and into unscriptural and potentially dangerous speculation. 'However, the "Faith" teachers do turn to a handful of selected verses in an effort to substantiate their view. It may be helpful to examine a few of the more important passages they cite. 'One of the verses that is heavily relied upon for substantiating the doctrine of Jesus' "spiritual death" is II Corinthians 5:21: 'He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. 'As we have seen, the "Faith" message teaches that this means that Jesus "took upon Himself our sin nature," accepted in His own spirit "spiritual death," and that He, as a result, ceased to be the God-man and became a mortal man. 'In examining this passage, one of the first things to be noted is that the word "sin" is used as an abstract noun. As such, biblical commentators have noted that the expression "to be sin" must be metonymical. 'A metonym is "a figure of speech consisting of the use of the name of one thing for that of another of which it is an attribute or with which it is associated (as in 'lands belonging to the crown').[xxxi] 'Metonym is often used in Scripture, as in the example where Jesus comments that "those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword" (Matthew 26:52). It is clear that Jesus is not making a dogmatic assertion concerning how an individual who "takes up the sword" shall specifically die, but simply stating a general truth. Thus, the phrase "perish by the sword" is one example of a metonym. 'T.J. Crawford, in his excellent work The Doctrine of Holy Scripture Respecting the Atonement, offers important insight into the metonymical expression in II Corinthians 5:21. 'Still, though on these grounds our common translation is to be preferred [over rendering the phrase "to be sin" as "to be a sin-offering"], there can be no doubt that the expression is metonymical, since it is impossible that Christ, or any person, could be literally made "SIN." The abstract word "sin" must necessarily be held to be here put for some concrete. And there is no concrete that we can think of as denoted by it, except either "a sinner," or "one who bears or suffers for sin." Now, that Christ "was made a sinner for us" is inconsistent, not only with the testimony which the Scriptures elsewhere bear to His immaculate holiness, but with the express statement in the adjoining clause, that "He knew no sin." Accordingly, we are shut up to the other interpretation, that Christ was "made sin for us" in the sense of being divinely appointed to bear the burden or to suffer the penal consequences of our transgressions.[xxxii] 'We see from the above that, taking into account the language and context, the meaning of the expression "made to be sin for us" is that Christ suffered the legal consequences -- the penalty -- for our sin. Although Jesus identified with sinners, it is unjustifiable to read the passage to imply that He took on our sin nature (and, according to the "Faith" teachers, "Satan's nature" -- spiritual death). ( . . . ) 'Therefore, in discussing II Corinthians 5:21 and the interpretation offered by the "Faith" teachers --although we have hardly exhausted what could be said -- certain truths are clear. Christ "was made sin for us" by becoming the legal substitute for sinners. He suffered precisely that kind, degree, and duration of suffering that the absolute, just wisdom of God determined was a full equivalent for all that would have been required of individual sinners. The assertion that He suffered spiritual death and underwent a change in nature is unsupported by II Corinthians 5:21 and goes against the plain teachings of Scripture that we have examined. It will suffice to say, in the words of Alexander Bruce, ". . . it was needful that the sin-bearer, though divine, should endure all that it was possible for a holy Being to suffer in the way of penalty"[xxxiv] [original emphasis].' ____________________ Excerpted from: THE ATONEMENT OF CHRIST AND THE "FAITH" MESSAGE by Brian Onken To read more go to: (www.equip.org/free/DP060.htm) |
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