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1 | Scriptural Support for you position? | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 134880 | ||
Very interesting that you would try to turn this into a discussion about whether the name "Satan" appears in these verses. Although I quoted The Living Bible (which is a paraphrased Bible as you acknowledged and which does say "Satan, the god of this world"), I do agree that it isn't rendered this way in many translations - but the LB tranlators knew who was being referred to and they took the liberty to identify him in this verse, just as the Amplified Bible takes many liberties to qualify verses in order to promote scriptural understanding. And, of course, this isn't what my threads are all about. They are about whether Satan is identified as a god (and he is, as a matter of fact he's "the god of this world", meaning that he's not just "called" a god, but "is" a god. Unlike wooden idols, Satan is a real living god - more powerful than you or I (only with God's spirit can we come off victorious from him and the world that he once offered to Jesus if Jesus would do an act of worship to him). Note the Amplied Bible's discription of Satan in Rev. 12:9 "And the huge dragon was cast down and out, that ages-old serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, he who is the seducer (deceiver) of all humanity the world over..." Notice how Satan is described? Yes, as "the seducer (deceiver) of all humanity". Now, notice how "the god of this world" is described in 2 Cor 4:4 from the Amplified Bible, "For the god of this world has blinded the unbelievers' minds (that they should not discern the truth)... " This is a excellent cross-reference to help anyone see that Satan is "the god of this world" referenced in 2 Cor 4:4. This is what I meant earlier when I indicated that the Bible should interpret itself - it is open to understanding Bro Tim and is in total harmony with its own internal writings and teachings. Now, because that undermines scriptures you keep alluding to in Isaiah that there cannot be another god besides the Creator is hard for you to accept because its one of your building blocks - if you reread my threads, you'll see the proper understanding (for new readers: besides God there is no other Savior, certainly not a god made of wood by man's hands.) If I may Brother Tim, you should re-evaluate Bible context - seriously. Only in accurate understanding of the entire Bible can one rightly understand it. I have not come across anyone from various Christian religions that would argue that Satan is not the one identified as "the god of this world" in 2 Cor 4:4 and yet, is that what you are trying to say Bro Tim? |
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2 | Scriptural Support for you position? | 1 Cor 8:5 | mark d seyler | 134892 | ||
Hi Pcdarcan, You say "Satan is a real living god", in spite of the many verses in the Bible that tell us there is no god but One. I don't know what scriptures I can add to what Tim has shared, they are very plain and speak for themselves. The Bible tells us many things are called gods, but only One is God. In 2 Cor. 4:4, we understand this to be referring to Satan, but the text does not say that. Our understanding may be correct, but we cannot use this passage for proof. To do that is to add to the Word. I just cannot agree that Satan is any kind of god at all. He is a created being, created by the One True Living God. Love in Christ, Mark |
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3 | Scriptural Support for you position? | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 134897 | ||
Hi Mark, I believe if you re-read my threads, esp. the last one to Tim, it will be clear where I am coming from. Just because 2 Cor 4:4 doesn't say Satan in every translation - some, like the paraphrased version "The Living Bible" include Satan in that verse. Why? Because, just as you said, "we understand this to be referring to Satan". Now, how do you and the translators of The Living Bible understand 2 Cor 4:4's "the god of this world" to be Satan? By other scriptures, no? I have alluded to many of those cross-references in my threads. Tim is simply trying to win an argument on a technicality. I was trying to show him the errors of his way. Sometimes this happens when discussing Bible texts. About Satan, just as noone is necessarily born a murderer, they can become one. Satan was not created a god by the Almighty God. He was an angel that fell from grace and made himself a god, the Bible says "the god of this world" and the same god who offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world in Mt 4:8 [please read this] (btw: if they weren't Satan's to offer, Jesus would have called him on that) ... that's all I am trying to say, and I back it with scriptures. Also, just because 2 Cor 4:4 doesn't mention Satan in the original Greek text, you can't just throw it out the window as having no bearing about Satan and his motive - that verse contains a very important motive of Satan. It's a piece of the all important puzzle. When you read the context of 2 Cor 4:4 and understand the many cross-references in the Christian scriptures, it's clear that "the god of this world" is Satan. So clear, that The Living Bible translators never thought they would be questioned by paraphrasing it in this manner. Lastly, since God inspired the Bible, it is he that uses the term "the god of this world", not man, because the Creator knows that Satan made himself a god and is influencing this whole world - no Christian denies that fact today. |
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4 | Scriptural Support for you position? | 1 Cor 8:5 | srbaegon | 134922 | ||
Hello pcdarcan, My Bible does not have the passage which states that Satan made himself a god. Would you please share it? The best I can do is find where he is called the "ruler of this world" (John 12:31; 16:11). So in that regard, he was sufficiently authorized to offer all the kingdoms of the earth to Christ in exchange for worship. Steve |
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