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1 | Scriptural Support for you position? | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 134880 | ||
Very interesting that you would try to turn this into a discussion about whether the name "Satan" appears in these verses. Although I quoted The Living Bible (which is a paraphrased Bible as you acknowledged and which does say "Satan, the god of this world"), I do agree that it isn't rendered this way in many translations - but the LB tranlators knew who was being referred to and they took the liberty to identify him in this verse, just as the Amplified Bible takes many liberties to qualify verses in order to promote scriptural understanding. And, of course, this isn't what my threads are all about. They are about whether Satan is identified as a god (and he is, as a matter of fact he's "the god of this world", meaning that he's not just "called" a god, but "is" a god. Unlike wooden idols, Satan is a real living god - more powerful than you or I (only with God's spirit can we come off victorious from him and the world that he once offered to Jesus if Jesus would do an act of worship to him). Note the Amplied Bible's discription of Satan in Rev. 12:9 "And the huge dragon was cast down and out, that ages-old serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, he who is the seducer (deceiver) of all humanity the world over..." Notice how Satan is described? Yes, as "the seducer (deceiver) of all humanity". Now, notice how "the god of this world" is described in 2 Cor 4:4 from the Amplified Bible, "For the god of this world has blinded the unbelievers' minds (that they should not discern the truth)... " This is a excellent cross-reference to help anyone see that Satan is "the god of this world" referenced in 2 Cor 4:4. This is what I meant earlier when I indicated that the Bible should interpret itself - it is open to understanding Bro Tim and is in total harmony with its own internal writings and teachings. Now, because that undermines scriptures you keep alluding to in Isaiah that there cannot be another god besides the Creator is hard for you to accept because its one of your building blocks - if you reread my threads, you'll see the proper understanding (for new readers: besides God there is no other Savior, certainly not a god made of wood by man's hands.) If I may Brother Tim, you should re-evaluate Bible context - seriously. Only in accurate understanding of the entire Bible can one rightly understand it. I have not come across anyone from various Christian religions that would argue that Satan is not the one identified as "the god of this world" in 2 Cor 4:4 and yet, is that what you are trying to say Bro Tim? |
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2 | Scriptural Support for you position? | 1 Cor 8:5 | Morant61 | 134886 | ||
Greetings Pcdarcan! By the way, I forgot to address one of your points. You wrote: "Very interesting that you would try to turn this into a discussion about whether the name "Satan" appears in these verses." You are the one who has made the following statement in several posts: 2 Cor. 4:4 tells us that Satan is the god of this world! Yet, 'Satan' does not appear in the text. So, your claim is false! That is why I have drawn your attention to it, and that is why you refuse to acknowledge that your statement is in error. You may 'interpret' 2 Cor. 4:4 as a reference to Satan, but 2 Cor. 4:4 does NOT SAY that 'Satan is the god of this world'! How can we discuss what Scripture actually says or means if you are allowed to simply add words the text? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Scriptural Support for you position? | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 134890 | ||
Bro Tim... you are intentionally trying to twist things now and your aguments are intentionally slippery (even childish). It is your personal attempt to discredit me... however, anyone reading the threads can see that my intentions are pure and equally important, scriptural. BTW: Do you realize what you are saying? If the translators of The Living Bible included Satan in 2 Cor 4:4 (I quote: "Satan, who is the god of this world...") and you are saying they are wrong to do that, I'm not sure the readers of The Living Bible are going to feel comfortable with your self-elevated stance for it discredits the integrity of The Living Bible... wow. (Texts from The Amplied Bible) 2 Cor 4:4's context shows that Paul is speaking about 'the Gospel (the glad tidings) being hid - covered up by a veil' in 2 Cor 4:3. That's why Paul revealed the one who is putting up this veil in 2 Cor 4:4. "For the god of this world has blinded the unbelievers' minds (that they should not discern the truth), preventing them from seeing the illuminating light of the Gospel..." Are you intentionally ignoring Rev 12:9 "And the hugh dragon was cast down and out, that ages-old serpent, who is called Devil and Satan, he who is the seducer (deceiver) of all humanity the world over; he was forced out and down to the earth, and his angels were flung out along with him." (BTW: Do you see how much of an influence Satan has? - he took angels (demons) with him when he was ousted from heaven. So, while always misleading mankind - remember the garden of eden?... he is confined to the earth doing this same thing. Apparently, it works.) This and my other threads shows why The Living Bible traslators identify Satan as "the god of this world" in 2 Cor 4:4. And, beyond that... most Christian religions teach this, so its not just me - give me a break. :) As a matter of fact, I have never found anyone who didn't believe this - you're the first. So, you are on your own Bro Tim. I've reviewed some of your replies to others in these threads and I can see that you are more interested in being right (in your own eyes) to see the truth right on the pages of the Bible. I don't care to reply to you any longer - I was hoping honest scriptural reasoning would help, but you don't dare go there... I can see that. Down the road you may see things differently... I've found that years of Bible reading and prayer always bring the truth forward - but it has to be done with a humble heart, believe me. Take care Bro Tim and your family as well. |
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4 | Scriptural Support for you position? | 1 Cor 8:5 | kalos | 134891 | ||
Posting Violation You have violated one or more of the following posting guidelines. "ABOUT POSTINGS "The StudyBibleForum is an inter-denominational Christian forum. This forum encourages questions and answers but we may determine what is acceptable at any particular time. "Postings must be Biblically based and not opposing to the authority of the Bible, Christianity, or the deity of Jesus Christ. Whenever possible, postings should include supporting Bible references. "Postings must not be intended as a personal attack on other users of this forum. They must not be submitted as an effort to foster debates, arguments, divisiveness, ill-will, dissension or disruptions to this forum. "Pushing One's Own Personal And Denominational Views "Please limit, to the best of your ability, the known denominational biases that produce potential strife and undue conflict. "Please avoid interjecting obvious denominational biases, especially when urged by peers to cease. Otherwise, it becomes a battle of wills, and only tears down morale and causes division. "IF WE ARE NOTIFIED THAT THIS SITUATION IS OCCURRING WE WILL REVIEW IT AND ACT AS NECESSARY." ti310 |
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5 | Scriptural Support for you position? | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 134899 | ||
Hi Kalos, Certainly don't mean to be pushing any denominational bias... just saw a difference of opinion and wanted to entertain scriptural thoughts outside the box of a previous poster. I'm was hoping that the poster might see my points, but that didn't and won't happen. You probably didn't see my last post about me not wanting to continue with this thread. Sorry if I have offended anyone - not my intent. Some at the time were reading those posts and getting alot out of them, but perhaps some are annoyed by them. Take care Kalos and happy to find another Bible reader on board! |
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