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1 | Scriptural Support for you position? | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 134880 | ||
Very interesting that you would try to turn this into a discussion about whether the name "Satan" appears in these verses. Although I quoted The Living Bible (which is a paraphrased Bible as you acknowledged and which does say "Satan, the god of this world"), I do agree that it isn't rendered this way in many translations - but the LB tranlators knew who was being referred to and they took the liberty to identify him in this verse, just as the Amplified Bible takes many liberties to qualify verses in order to promote scriptural understanding. And, of course, this isn't what my threads are all about. They are about whether Satan is identified as a god (and he is, as a matter of fact he's "the god of this world", meaning that he's not just "called" a god, but "is" a god. Unlike wooden idols, Satan is a real living god - more powerful than you or I (only with God's spirit can we come off victorious from him and the world that he once offered to Jesus if Jesus would do an act of worship to him). Note the Amplied Bible's discription of Satan in Rev. 12:9 "And the huge dragon was cast down and out, that ages-old serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, he who is the seducer (deceiver) of all humanity the world over..." Notice how Satan is described? Yes, as "the seducer (deceiver) of all humanity". Now, notice how "the god of this world" is described in 2 Cor 4:4 from the Amplified Bible, "For the god of this world has blinded the unbelievers' minds (that they should not discern the truth)... " This is a excellent cross-reference to help anyone see that Satan is "the god of this world" referenced in 2 Cor 4:4. This is what I meant earlier when I indicated that the Bible should interpret itself - it is open to understanding Bro Tim and is in total harmony with its own internal writings and teachings. Now, because that undermines scriptures you keep alluding to in Isaiah that there cannot be another god besides the Creator is hard for you to accept because its one of your building blocks - if you reread my threads, you'll see the proper understanding (for new readers: besides God there is no other Savior, certainly not a god made of wood by man's hands.) If I may Brother Tim, you should re-evaluate Bible context - seriously. Only in accurate understanding of the entire Bible can one rightly understand it. I have not come across anyone from various Christian religions that would argue that Satan is not the one identified as "the god of this world" in 2 Cor 4:4 and yet, is that what you are trying to say Bro Tim? |
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2 | Scriptural Support for you position? | 1 Cor 8:5 | Morant61 | 134884 | ||
Greetings Pcdarcan! I'll let the readers of the thread decide for themselves who needs to re-evaluate their my friend! :-) You claim that Satan is the 'god of this world', even though 2 Cor. 4:4 does not identify Satan at all in the text. Yet, you claim that I am mistaken for claiming that there are no other gods but Jehovah even though many verses expilicitly make that statement(Is. 43:10 for one). How can I debate that kind of logic? :-( 'No other god' really means 'some other gods'! Satan isn't named, but he should have been! Finally, for the sake you the readers, you said: "(for new readers: besides God there is no other Savior, certainly not a god made of wood by man's hands.)" But, that is not what Is. 43:10 says. "'You are my witnesses,' declares the LORD, 'and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.'" Yet, the JW's would have us to believe that Jesus is 'a god' created by Jehovah. What does this verse say? 'No god formed before me, nor will there be one after me'!!! What is so difficult to understand about this verse? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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