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1 | Still waiting.... | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 131021 | ||
Ooooo, so that's what this is all about... you don't believe that Jesus is a god and you're trying to disprove it. I didn't read all the entries and was only responding to what I believe was contridictory to many scriptures that clearly articulate that there are 'other gods'. From your previous post, Bro Tim, you make the statement: 'let's start with this scripture (in Isaiah) and build from there'. I have discovered in my Bible research that no one text stands alone - or else you can make the Bible say just about anything (I've seen people do this). To explain a debatable scripture, you need to have other verses in the Bible do that. That's the difference between Bible understanding and interpreting the Bible. The Bible does a find job in interpreting itself. For instance, when the apostle Paul, writing under inspiration said, "They do not believe, because their minds have been kept in the dark by the evil god of this world..." 2 Cor 4:4(Good News Bible), this verse doesn't fit into your argument that there are no other "real" gods. You can go back to those select verses in Isaiah all you want, but no scripture stands alone and that's why God supplied us with the entire Bible. Two things. 1) It sounds like you are going to a great extent to disprove that Jesus is not a god - now I see why you may be missing the clear statement from the apostle Paul in 2 Cor 4:4. The apostle Paul was inspired to write in that verse about a "real" god...in particular Satan, a powerful god in his own right because he blinds the minds of the unbelievers - Satan also convinced a third of the angels to worship and follow him. Remember that he tried to get Jesus to do an act of worship, too? A god Satan is and he acts like one. 2) Going back to the illustration of a puzzle piece forced into a place it doesn't belong... as long as that piece stays, that forces other pieces (2 Cor 4:4) not to fit - it's a domino effect. The result is that you never get a clear picture of the whole puzzle. Thanks for the feedback Bro. Tim. I'm not trying to convince you, just didn't want my points to be lost. I think this has been a healthy discussion, hope readers have enjoyed it. Signing off... |
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2 | Still waiting.... | 1 Cor 8:5 | BradK | 131037 | ||
pcdarcan, I'm confused! When you state " you don't believe that Jesus is a god and you're trying to disprove it." What position do you hold? The Diety of Christ is not up for grabs- it is the postion of the Lockman Foundation who operates this Study Bible Forum. Furthermore, it is also, the historic and Orthodox position of the Churc. it is alos the position I hold to. I don't see logically, what fault you find in brother Tim's arguments. They are well supported among other things. Feel free to provide us some insight into your background by updating your user profile:-) Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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3 | Still waiting.... | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 131072 | ||
Hi Brad, have you been reading my responses with an open mind? - I believe I present a Biblically logical case? Bro Tim has said: "there are things that are called 'gods' that are not really gods". I do believe that 2 Cor 4:4 (The Living Bible) "Satan, who is the god of this evil world..." is not open to interpretation. Satan is called a "god" in this verse. He is not like those idols made of wood and stone that were thrown into the fire and destroyed... to quote Bro Tim: Consider Is. 37:19 - "They have thrown their gods into the fire and destroyed them, for they were not gods but only wood and stone, fashioned by human hands." Satan is not a god of this type, made of wood and stone and fashioned by man's hands. That scripture that Tim uses is describing dead idols made by human hands and venerated as gods. Remember what happened at Exodus 32:1 KJV "And when the people saw that Moses had delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathering themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us." Of course whatever they made wasn't a "real" god, but to them it was "a god". That what the verse says. Satan, however, is one of those "living" gods spoken about in the Bible. To say he is "a god" doesn't make him God, the creator, of course. Bro Tim states: "calling something a 'god' simply doesn't make it one!" But, who originally called Satan a god, me? you Brad? Bro Tim? Not me for sure. However, the apostle Paul originally acknowledges Satan as a "god" in 2 Cor 4:4. He never qualifies it by saying that he isn't really a god; as a matter of fact, to revisit 2 Cor 4:4, Paul even called him "THE god" of this evil world. There's no doubt at all that Paul believes him to be a god and that is the thought he was conveying to the reader. Is not my argument Biblically logical, as well? - work with me Brad. :) I'm just kindly presenting a Biblical verse to something I believe shoots holes through the statement: "Jehovah several times denies that there are any other gods but Him" (Bro. Tim) The context of all those verses in Isaiah is clear. God is speaking from his identify perspective, to paraphase, there is not other god that can save you - again, one of the recurring themes in Isaiah. You could say of yourself Brad, that there is no other "me" - however, someone could steal your identity and make it appear they were you. So, just to make sure that I'm clear on Bro Tim argument, is he saying that although 2 Cor 4:4 identifies/reveals/discloses Satan to be "the god" of this evel world, he in not really a god? (Please don't bother with the elohim, that's a smoke-screen.) Lastly, the reasoning purported by Bro Tim are circular and even forced reasoning to me - square peg in a round whole - sorry, that's how it comes across to me (I'm just being honest). It just sounds like a bunch of double talk... I mean the Bible calls Satan "the god" and someone trys to reason that statement away? Why would the Bible call him "the god" if he wasn't a god. Sorry, these arguments presented to me by Bro Tim just don't convince me and even worry me that someone is trying to elevate their knowledge above clear Bible statements - I mean there's a condescening nature to the some of the responses. I don't believe Bro Tim means to be expressing it that way, but that's how it strikes me. Please don't take offense Brad, honest and upright disagreements can even test our own beliefs - not a bad thing if it brings us closer to the accurate knowledge of the Bible. Have a good evening... |
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4 | Still waiting.... | 1 Cor 8:5 | flinkywood | 131082 | ||
Pcdarcan, is Jesus the spirit brother of Satan? | ||||||