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1 | Still waiting.... | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 130754 | ||
Yikes, not to enter a quagmire, but that doesn't make sense to me Bro. Tim. You say: "The verse does not say there are other gods at all." I don't believe the true God would need to use a phrase "God of gods" to distinquish himself from "non-existent" gods - past, present, of future. You seem to be interpreting the scripture to say, "I am the only God and there are no other gods in existence". But it doesn't say that and why did God forewarn earlier in Deut: "You must never have ANY OTHER gods against my face." (Deut 5:7) I don't really want to get involved in this discussion, it just jumped out at me because the interpretation you suggest seems to be specious and forced reasoning. pd | ||||||
2 | Still waiting.... | 1 Cor 8:5 | Morant61 | 130767 | ||
Greetings Pcdarcan! Enter at your own risk! ;-) Allow me to explain it this way! Basic logic demands that we start with the simplest statements first and then build from there. In Isaiah, I have demonstrated time and time again that Jehovah says, 'There ARE NO OTHER GODS BESIDES ME'. This is a simple statement. It cannot be true that there are 'other gods' and are not 'other gods' at the same time! These are two contadictory statements. Now, I have acknowledged that people do in fact worship false gods. These false gods do not really exist anywhere except in the minds of their worshippers. So, someone writting to a worshipper of Molech could say that Jehovah is greater than Molech. This does not mean that Molech actually exists. This all the phrase 'God of gods' means. Pick any false god worshipped by anyone, and God is greater. Why? He is greater because He actually exists and has demonstrated His existence through His actions in Israel. The problem I have been having with this thread is that so many seem to be ignoring Jehovah's plain and simple statement. Either He is right or He is wrong! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Still waiting.... | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 130927 | ||
I wasn't going to re-enter/reply (as previously stated) to this thread, but Mary... your sincere response urged me on. Bro. Tim responds that "basic logic demands that we start with the simplest statements first and then build from there." Here's another approach. Anytime a scripture (or portion of a verse) is extracted out of its context, read the surrounding verses for contextual understanding of the Bible to see what point is being established. Tim states, "It cannot be true that there are 'other gods' and are not 'other gods' at the same time! These are two contadictory statements." However, within Bible context, it can be true that there ARE 'other gods' (after all, why would God warn against worshipping 'other gods'), but no 'other [true] God'. Notice the capital "G" in the title "God" and singular nature in KJV Isaiah 45:21 "... there is no God else besides me". Interesting is the context of the preceding quote: "... there is no God else besides me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me." These qualifying remarks clarify what this scripture is really talking about. God Almighty is called a "just God" and "a Savior". And here's the point, within the context there is no other true God, just one God in whom salvation lies - a recurring theme in Isaiah. I believe that Tim may be taking some verses too literal or not allowing the surrounding verses to explain the meaning. The surrounding scriptures highlight the issue that Isaiah is trying to present, there is only one true God. Of this true God, the sciptures saith: "I have made the earth, and created man upon it;" (Isa 45:12a), "a just God and a Savior" (Isa 45:21). Isaiah (under inspiration) is building a case for worshipping the only true God and Creator for note Isa 45:20 "Assemble yourselves together and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations; they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that CANNOT save." And, that's the crux of Isaiah's writing, there is no other God (capital G) other than the true God. Isa 45:5 (American Std. Bible) says: "I am Jehovah, and there is none else; besides me there is no God." (Interesting that when Bibles include the name of God, it becomes less confusing to the reader.) That there are 'other gods' though (small "g") is very clear from the Bible. The statement "false gods do not really exist" is a loaded statement. Molech was a god who was worshipped, he doesn't have to be real - just real to those who worship him. Of course, we know Satan is real and was called "...the god of this world [who] has blinded the minds of unbelievers..." - NIV 2 Cor 4:4 He even tried to get Jesus (in his weakened physical state) to worship him (imagine that!) - Mt 4:9 KJV "And saith (Satan) unto him (Jesus), All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me." I don't doubt that Tim believes in his interpretation of his quoted verses and I actually understand what he is saying - I just respectfully disagree because I surmise that they are taken out of context. Hope this is helpful. |
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4 | Still waiting.... | 1 Cor 8:5 | Morant61 | 130930 | ||
Greetings Pcdarcan! A couple of points my friend! First of all, how can two contradictory statements both be true. Suppose someone said, 'God does exist' and someone else says, 'God does not exist'. Both statement cannot be true! Neither can it be true that there is 'no other god' besides God and there is 'other gods' besides God. Your attempt to explain this contradiction away is based upon 'big G' and 'little g'. Yet, Hebrew does not make this distinction. The same word is used in both instances. God says, "I am elohim". And God says, 'There is no other elohim besides Me'. It is amazing to me how many people will ignore the plain words of Scripture, but believe words and meanings that are not even in Scripture. :-( Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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