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1 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | Tara022 | 130287 | ||
Hello BradK, You seem upset? Sorry if I upset you. You ask me some important questions. The first point though. 1). Concerning the definite article was responded to and if you read it you'll see how Tim was in error. This is simple translation, nothing hard about it so long as we stay unbiased. Point 2) I take it you believe in the Trinity doctrine. That's fine. But then you say “it would be polytheism" to translate John 1:1 as many do, “a god” or "divine". Let me show you how ridiculous that is, nothing personal but nonetheless ridiculous. I believe the Bible clearly denies the trinity. This Trinity means a triune or three-in-one God. Correct? That means a God in three Persons, namely, “God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.” Since this is said to be, not three Gods, but merely “one God in three Persons,” then the term God must mean the Trinity; and the Trinity and God must be interchangeable terms. On this basis let us quote John 1:1, 2 and use the equivalent term for God, and let us see how it reads: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the Trinity, and the Word was the Trinity. The same was in the beginning with the Trinity.” But how could such a thing be? If the Word was himself a Person and he was with the Trinity, then there would be four Persons. But the Word is said by the trinitarians to be the Second Person of the Trinity, namely, “God the Son.” But even then, how could John say that the Word, as God the Son, was the Trinity made up of three Persons? How could one Person be three? However, let the trinitarians say that in John 1:1 God means just the First Person of the Trinity, namely, “God the Father,” and so the Word was with God the Father in the beginning. On the basis of this definition of God, how could it be said that the Word, who they say is “God the Son,” is “God the Father”? And where does their “God the Holy Ghost” enter into the picture? If God is a Trinity, was not the Word with “God the Holy Ghost” as well as with “God the Father” in the beginning? Suppose, now, they say that, in John 1:1, 2, God means the other two Persons of the Trinity, so that in the beginning the Word was with God the Father and God the Holy Ghost. In this case we come to this difficulty, namely, that, by being God, the Word was God the Father and God the Holy Ghost, the other two Persons of the Trinity. Thus the Word, or “God the Son,” the Second Person of the Trinity, is said to be also the First Person and the Third Person of the Trinity. It does not solve the difficulty to say that the Word was the same as God the Father and was equal to God the Father but still was not God the Father. If this were so, it must follow that the Word was the same as God the Holy Ghost and was equal to God the Holy Ghost but still was not God the Holy Ghost. And yet the trinitarians teach that the God of John 1:1, 2 is only one God, not three Gods! So is the Word only one-third of God? Since we cannot scientifically calculate that 1 God (the Father) plus 1 God (the Son) plus 1 God (the Holy Ghost) equals 1 God, then we must calculate that 1/3 God (the Father) plus 1/3 God (the Son) plus 1/3 God (the Holy Ghost) equals 3/3 God, or 1 God. Furthermore, we would have to conclude that the term “God” in John 1:1, 2 changes its personality, or that “God” changes his personality in one sentence. Does he? Any trying to reason out the Trinity teaching leads to confusion of mind. So the Trinity teaching confuses the meaning of John 1:1, 2; it does not simplify it or make it clear or easily understandable. Certainly the matter was not confused in the mind of the apostle John when he wrote those words in the common Greek of nineteen centuries ago for international Christian readers. As John opened up his life account of Jesus Christ he was in no confusion of mind as to who the Word or Logos was and as to who God was. |
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2 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | Mary01 | 130599 | ||
Tara022, I have printed out all this that you wrote (the whole chain of posts) and am keeping it in a folder and mark it all up. I have studied it through and through and am very impressed! You are logical and scriptural. I wish you would post more as I am comparing what Jehovah's Witnesses write and what others write about them and their reasons for not agreeing with them. I then can decide what moves me to believe what God has told us through the Bible as to what is true. There are several that really hate the witnesses, I guess you noticed, but that too is told in the Bible would happen, especially when they (those that hate) are shown that they are wrong. Anyway, just letting you know that you are doing a good job and I can't but see the humor in the other posts that lack the logic and reasoning and depth in Bible knowledge. Keep it up. Mary |
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3 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | Tara022 | 130605 | ||
Hello Mary, Thank you. I noticed but I wonder if you or very many of those that read this discussion realize the impact of it all? Tim does not address the Biblical evidence presented. Deut. 10:17 is another place where Jehovah shows us that he himself calls (uses the phrase elohim for god) others (Jesus, men, angels) gods. I'm sure you understand it, sinse it's really not difficult at all. Regardless, I'm convinced that there's only one Jehovah, only one Almighty God and that Jesus can't be Almighty God too because he's the Son. I'm also convinced that holding ones that show these Bible truths in derision is contemptable to Jehovah God. Thank you again for writting Tara |
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4 | Still waiting.... | 1 Cor 8:5 | Morant61 | 130609 | ||
Greetings Tara! Who did Jehovah call 'gods' in Deut. 10:17? Answer: no one! He uses a phrase God of gods and Lord of lords to describe His uniqueness. The verse does not say that there are other gods at all. However, in Isaiah, Jehovah several times denies that there are any other gods but Him. I have asked you several times, but you have refused to answer: Was Jehovah wrong? Did He lie? The JW's are false witnesses teaching the very thing that Jehovah denied - that there are other gods. Be honest with the text my friend! Jehovah is quite clear in His statement and does not qualify it in any way! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Still waiting.... | 1 Cor 8:5 | Tara022 | 130714 | ||
Hello Tim, You still haven’t answered my questions. 1) Explain the Bible’s use of theos for Satan as found in 2 Cor. 4:4. Is Satan an evil god or not? In view of Deut. 10:17 you say there are no other “gods”. Do you likewise say there are not other “lords”? You write, “However, in Isaiah, Jehovah several times denies that there are any other gods but Him. I have asked you several times, but you have refused to answer: Was Jehovah wrong? Did He lie?” I have answered this question. No, Jehovah was not wrong. He did not lie. On the other hand expressions such as is found in Deut.10:17; Ex 18:11; 2 Chr. 2:5; Ps 97:9 Dan 2:47 and Dan 11:36 “And the king will actually do according to his own will, and he will exalt himself and magnify himself above every god; and against the God of gods” show us that there are others in the Bible that Jehovah references as gods. As already noted at Psalm 8:5, the angels are referred to as elohim, as is confirmed by Paul’s quotation of the passage at Hebrews 2:6-8. These texts must be reconciled with the one in Isaiah 43:10. Interestingly, Jesus Christ Son of God is never referred to as “God of gods”, yet Jehovah is many times. As, already stated numerous times there is only One Almighty God that is to be worshipped as the Almighty God and Creator and Father of Jesus the Son of God. |
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6 | Still waiting.... | 1 Cor 8:5 | Tara022 | 130716 | ||
Following is an article from a publication of the Witnesses that addresses your question. It is well known that Jehovah’s Witnesses teach from the Bible that Jesus is the created Son of God and is subordinate to his Father. (John 14:28; 1 Corinthians 11:3) Still, as a powerful One who serves as God’s Spokesman, or Logos, he may well be designated “a god.” A number of Bible versions render John 1:1 as saying that the Logos was “a god.” For example, Das Evangelium nach Johannes (1979) by Jürgen Becker reads: “ . . . und der Logos war bei dem Gott, und ein Gott war der Logos.” (English translation: “ . . . and the Logos was with the God, and a god the Logos was.”) As the questioner indicates, though, this might seem to conflict with Isaiah 43:10, 11, which says: “‘You are my witnesses,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘even my servant whom I have chosen, in order that you may know and have faith in me, and that you may understand that I am the same One. Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none. I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.’” A sincere Bible student is helped by noting carefully the context of those words. The Almighty God Jehovah was contrasting himself with the man-made idols in nations surrounding Israel. Jehovah asks: “To whom can you people liken God, and what likeness can you put alongside him?” Certainly not an image made by a metalworker or carved from a tree. (Isaiah 40:18-20; 41:7) Such “gods” could not ‘stretch out the heavens like a gauze,’ as Jehovah did. (Isaiah 40:21-26) Further, Jehovah is able to predict the future; surely the idols of the nations cannot ‘tell the things that are to come afterward, that we may know that they are gods.’ (Isaiah 41:23) This thought is repeated at Isaiah 43:9, where Jehovah states: “Let national groups be gathered together. Who is there among them that can tell this? Or can they cause us to hear even the first things? Let them furnish their witnesses.” Rightly, the Almighty says: “I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images.”—Isaiah 42:8. So the context establishes that the Almighty is hurling a challenge at the so-called gods of the nations. Being mere idols with no divine power, they certainly are not gods to be worshiped; they are really nothings. Jehovah continues: “Does there exist a God besides me? No, there is no Rock. I have recognized none. The formers of the carved image are all of them an unreality, and their darlings [cast from metal or carved from wood] will be of no benefit.” (Isaiah 44:8-17) Consequently, the context of Isaiah 43:10 makes it clear that Jesus is not being considered; the “gods” under consideration are the impotent idols of the nations. |
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7 | Still waiting.... | 1 Cor 8:5 | Tara022 | 130717 | ||
The word “God” or “god” is commonly used regarding a superhuman object of veneration. Thus, in the minds of many people, “god” means either (1) the Supreme Being, the Almighty, or (2) a false god, such as an idol. However, the Bible allows for other usage. We can see this from Psalm 82:1, 2. There the Divine One (Jehovah God) is distinguished from human judges whom the psalmist terms “gods.” Jesus himself later referred to this passage. Because he had spoken of Jehovah God as being his Father, some Jews wanted to stone him. To their accusation that he was ‘making himself a god,’ Jesus responded: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’? If he called [those human judges] ‘gods’ . . . do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, I am God’s Son?”—John 10:31-36. Unquestionably there is only one Almighty God, even as the apostle Paul wrote: “For even though there are those who are called ‘gods,’ whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many ‘gods’ and many ‘lords,’ there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, . . . and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.” (1 Corinthians 8:5, 6) The Lord Jesus Christ is no false god, no demon god, no mere idol. He ‘is the reflection of Jehovah God’s glory.’ (Hebrews 1:3) Thus it is fitting for John 1:1 to acknowledge Jesus as “a god,” or “godlike” (Johannes Schneider). |
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8 | Still waiting.... | 1 Cor 8:5 | Morant61 | 130721 | ||
Greetings Tara! It is too bad that Jehovah didn't realize that His statement was so wrong! :-( I pray that everyone reading this thread who is tempted to fall prey to the false teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses will make the decision to follow what God actually said and not what the JW's try to say that He said. 'No other gods besides Me' is a pretty staightforward and simple sentence. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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