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1 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | Noveta | 130218 | ||
I found this question in the post. It was not answered.. Or I did not see one. Can I please get a response for this? Do you ridicule the apostle Paul? 1 Cor 8:5,6 states: "For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." There is only one God (with a capital G) the Father Jehovah. |
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2 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | Morant61 | 130219 | ||
Greetings Noveta! This question is a perfect example of how Jehovah's Witnesses both twist God's word and ignore God's word. Allow me to explain! 1 Cor. 8:5-6 is not arguing that there are in fact other 'gods'. It is denying it. Look at the context. Verse four clearly states that idols are 'nothing' and that there is only one God. Verse five states that there are many things that are 'called' gods. By saying this, Paul is not claiming that there are in fact other gods, but only that some people call their idols gods. His statement in verse 4 and in verse 6 is true - There is only one God. However, JW's need to deny that Jesus is in fact God. So, they twist Scripture to make it seem like there are in fact many gods, with Jesus just being one of many. Here is what I have written to a JW in the past concerning this issue: *********************** Your theology demands that Jesus cannot be Jehovah, but you cannot do away with John 1:1. So, you make Jesus 'a god' instead of God. However, Jehovah is very clear in Is. 43:10. He said, not me, that there is not other god besides Him. It doesn't matter if you call angels 'gods'. It doesn't matter if you call men 'gods'. Jehovah said that there 'are no other gods'. Therefore, Jesus in John 1:1 cannot be 'another god'. It is really quite simple my friend. But, Is. 43:10 isn't the only place where Jehovah states this fact. Is. 44:6 - "This is what the LORD says -Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God." Is. 45:21 - "Declare what is to be, present it? let them take counsel together. Who foretold this long ago, who declared it from the distant past? Was it not I, the LORD? And there is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me." There is quite simply no way around these verses. They do not, as one JW site I visted claimed, say that there is only true Gods as opposed to false gods. These verses do not qualify the word 'God' in any way, except to say that there are not any except for Jehovah. May I be blunt my friend? If you are sincerely seeking the truth of God's Word, then you must accept what Jehovah Himself said. There cannot be a 'lesser' god, created by Jehovah, named Jesus, because Jehovah Himself said that there are no other gods. No amount of word twisting or verbiage will change this simple fact. ************************ I hope this helps! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | Tara022 | 130232 | ||
Tim, Your line of reasoning is illogical and certainly non Biblical. Example: John 8:12 Jesus is the Light of the world. Matthew 5:14 Disciples are the light of the world. So, the disciples must be Jesus. If I reasoned like your reasonings then that satement would be true! The Bible tells us that there's only One True Almighty God whose name alone is Jehovah. (He causes to become) Jesus is Not that one. He is Almighty God's only- begotten god. Read what the Bible tells us. It says at John 1:18 that that is the case! The Bible tells us there are indeed lesser mighty ones, men, angels, and it does call them god(s)(elohim). Ps. 82:1-7 and Ps 8:5. Yet, Jehovah is called Elohim and Jesus is called elohim. Well, do I then reason that angels are Jehovah? No. Jesus is Jehovah? No. Why Tim, do the scriptures again and again have verses such as Revelation 1:1, A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him." ?? Are we logical or not? Also, Jude 1:1, "Jude, a slave of Jesus Christ, but a brother of James, to the called ones who are loved in relationship with God [the] Father and preserved for Jesus Christ." Clearnly we have here shown to us that there's Jesus and his Father who's THE God. 1 John 4:9, "God sent forth his only-begotten Son". It doesn't say the Father but THE God sent Jesus. So Jesus can't be THE God! Tim, what do we do with all the verses that use the phrase where Jesus is speaking, "my God". Yes who ever heard of Jehovah saying "my God". Never, but Jesus does many times. Romans 1:7,8 Paul says, "May YOU have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and [the] Lord Jesus Christ. 8 First of all, I give thanks to my God through Jesus Christ concerning all of YOU, because YOUR faith is talked about throughout the whole world". Yes, the Bible teaches that there is only one true Almighty God, (as Jehovah himself says when he says besides me there is no God) and it says there's God's Son. John 17:3 says, "This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ." Here we have made clear for us that there's Almighty God Jehovah and there's the one he sent to the earth, his Son Jesus Christ. These few verses speak for themselves, they are not twisted, in any way, and I believe the Bible for what it says, and not "men". Believe the Bible when it says there is no God apart from me (Jehovah). There is no Almighty God but the Father. If you declare that his Son is Almighty God too, then what do we do with Is 45:21? Tara |
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4 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | Morant61 | 130257 | ||
Greetings Tara! Nice try! :-) But, your example of John 8:12 and Mt. 5:14 doesn’t fit. Neither verse says that there is ‘no other light of the world’. If they did, your reasoning would be sound, but they do not. You make a lot of points. I’ll try to deal with them, but I will have to be brief since there are so many. :-) 1) John 1:18: “Only begotten” has long been misunderstood by Jehovah’s Witnesses to mean ‘only created’. The term simply means ‘unique’. We know this because Isaac was not the ‘only created’ son of Abraham, yet the term is applied to him in the NT. But, Isaac was ‘unique’ in that he was the son of promise. 2) Ps. 82 mocks human rulers who thought themselves to be ‘gods’. They will die like anyone else. Just like in 1 Cor. 8:5, just because someone calls an idol a ‘god’ doesn’t actually make it one. :-) So, do you believe the Jehovah lied when He said there was no other gods? He uses the same word used in Ps. 82 and Ps. 8 for ‘god’. Yet, Jehovah denies that there is any other god but Him. He doesn’t say any other ‘almighty god’. He simply says ‘no other god’ but Him. Is. 44:6 – “Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.” Is. 45:5 – “I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:” Is. 45:21 – “Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.” These Scriptures are quite clear. You don’t want to believe that Jesus is God, so you twist Scripture to make it say that Jesus is just a god. Yet, Jehovah Himself said that there are NO OTHER GODS besides HIM. Was He wrong? Did He lie? According to Jehovah’s clear words, Jesus cannot be ‘a god’. He must be God. 3) Romans 1:7-8 is not Jesus speaking, but Paul! However, Jesus – during His incarnation – could say ‘My God’ because He was fully man. This does not reflect His eternal nature, but His situation during the incarnation. His eternal nature is clearly revealed in John 1:1-4, where He is called God. 4) Rev. 1:1 – Same situation as above. I too believe only what the Bible says, not what men teach. So, what do you do with Jehovah’s statements above that there is no other god but Him? You asked me about Is. 45:21. I don’t have to do anything with it! :-) It says that there is only one God and I only believe in one God. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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