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1 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | Morant61 | 130298 | ||
Greetings Tara! How many prophets are there? Many! How many liars are there? Many! How many gods are there? According to Jehovah, only one! Therefore, Jesus cannot be 'a god'. He must be God. I think you had a typo in your first paragraph. The article does not appear before 'God' in the final clause, but before 'Word'. :-) I've done that myself! :-) It is certainly true that an indefinite article may be called for when the definite article is not present. However, here is what Colwell (whom you quoted) said about John 1:1. *************************************** "E. C. Colwell: "...predicate nouns preceding the verb cannot be regarded as indefinite or qualitative simply because they lack the article; it could be regarded as indefinite or qualitative only if this is demanded by the context and in the case of John 1:1c this is not so." "A Definite Rule for the Use of the Article in the Greek New Testament," Journal of Biblical Literature, 52 (1933), p. 20. ************************************ When there is only 'one' of something, I would never use 'a' to describe it. ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | Tara022 | 130318 | ||
Thank you Tim. I'm glad we agree on this. Thus my theology, based on my understanding of scripture as a whole "demands" an indifinite article as did those other Bible versions I listed. How many gods are there? Fact is Jehovah calls angels gods, and certain men gods. In that sentance replace the word "gods" with "mighty ones" and you get the picture that's in my mind. Yet, he says there is only one mighty one. Yes, only One that's really really mighty, the Creator, the Almighty that should be worshipped as our Almighty Creator. We both know that Jesus too is mighty, Is.9:6. Thus Jehovah must be understood to mean these other "mighty ones" are "mighty ones" indeed but in a relative sense, not Almighty Gods. I've shown you that scripture (Jehovah) indeed calls angels and certain men gods, so they can't be false gods. They just aren't worshipped as the Almighty God. If they were then they would be "false gods" as idols are. If Satan is worshipped as a god then he's a false god. He is still a god but a false god. 2 Cor 4:4 calls him a god. So he is "a god". What kind of god? a false god, one that should not be worshipped as the Almighty God. My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Son of the Almighty is honored and worshipped as just that, nothing less and nothing more. If I did, I would be making him a false god. And he himself tells me at Matt 4:10, ", ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’ So, should I do what Jesus tells me to do? Tara |
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3 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | Morant61 | 130343 | ||
Greetings Tara! Your evading the question my friend! Jehovah doesn't use the term 'mighty God' in Isaiah. He simply uses the term 'elohim'. So, either Jehovah is correct when He says there are no other gods or He is not? Which is it? The only places where people or angels are called 'gods' is in poetic passages or in passages refering to false gods. Is a false god really a god? I could call my desk a god, but that doesn't make it true! :-) So, in a nut shell, here is my problem with your theology. You ignore a very clear statement of Jehovah. He says that there are no other gods besides Him. He doesn't say there are no other 'mighty gods'. He doesn't say there are no other 'almighty gods'. He simply says that there are no other 'elohim'. Yet, you claim that there are in fact other 'elohim'. So, you deny Jehovah's words. In fact, in Isaiah, Jehovah calls us to be His witnesses that there are no other 'elohim', yet JW's claim that there are other 'elohim'. So, they are false witnesses. Until you come to accept the truth of Jehovah's words, the truth about Jesus will always evade you my friend. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | Tara022 | 130372 | ||
Hello Tim, As you know, NIV translates elohim at Is. 9:6 "And he (Jesus) will be called ... Mighty God". Why are you telling me that that isn't true when you know that elohim is in English "Mighty God"? Your assertions to basic Bible truths are merely assertions. I'm not evading any question. I quoted for example 2 Cor. 4:4 where Jehovah calls Satan "the god of this system of things". So is Satan an evil god (mighty one) or not? Bible commentaries and lexicons alike say what I've been telling you, that there are other gods, that the words elohim and theos are used in the Bible again and again for angels and men. I'm not evading that. Tara |
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5 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | Morant61 | 130380 | ||
Greetings Tara! Two quick points my friend! First of all, the NIV does not use the name 'Jesus' in Is. 9:6. Here is the text of the NIV at Is. 9:6: "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." Secondly, 'Mighty God' is a combination of two Hebrew words 'gibbowr' or 'mighty' (Strongs # 1368) and 'ale' or 'god' (Strongs # 410). Is. 45:21b says, "...And there is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me." The first word translated 'God' is 'elohim'. This is the part that you are evading. Jehovah says 'there are no other 'elohim', but you claim that there are other 'elohim'. Was Jehovah wrong? Was He lying? Or, are you wrong in claiming that there are other 'elohim'? I have never denied that people or things might be CALLED 'elohim', but they are not! Jehovah Himself affirms this truth. But, John 1:1 says that Jesus is God. Since there are no other 'elohim' according to Jehovah, then Jesus must be Jehovah. You can twist it anyway you want! You can ignore it. But, the simple truth is that Jesus cannot be 'a god' because Jehovah Himself said that there are no other gods but Him. I pray my friend that the Holy Spirit will reveal this truth to you. I also pray that you will be intellectually honest enough to address this point. I'm not asking if other people call something 'elohim'! I am asking if Jehovah was right when He said that there ARE NO OTHER ELOHIM besides HIM? You have tried to some me passages where someone or something else is called an 'elohim', but you have not yet dealt with Jehovah's plain simple statement. Was He wrong? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | Glory Bound | 131027 | ||
Hi Tim. What is it that is said concerning the meat of the word, and "a time for everything"? Could "a time for everything" not include a time when one will be ready to learn a particular truth? GB |
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7 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | Morant61 | 131029 | ||
Greetings Glorybound! Prayerfully, my friend! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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