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1 | IS TONGUES FOR TODAY? | 1 Cor 14:5 | Hank | 54943 | ||
HampsteRuiz: In your post you state that you do not believe in the Trinity, yet you reference God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost (Spirit). That's the Trinity: God (the Father), Christ (the Son), and the Holy Spirit. I point this out not to engage in debate, because this issue has been debated on these pages many times before and is captured and held in the archives should you wish to research it. --Hank | ||||||
2 | IS TONGUES FOR TODAY? | 1 Cor 14:5 | HamsteRulz | 54995 | ||
For EdB and Hank and anyone else that it may concern. I took your advice, Hank, and I flipped through the archives about the "Trinity" and all that jazz. I found something that may intrest you both and many others. It is a series of questions that I would like to echo concerning the Trinity. This was orringinally given by RevC and I hope he does not mind my repeating it. I thought it was very descriptive and a good way to demonstrate the oneness of God. 1. Is the word trinity in the Bible? No. 2. Does the Bible say that there are three persons in the Godhead? No. 3. Does the Bible speak of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost? Yes. 4. Do these titles as used in Matthew 28:19 mean that there are three separate and distinct persons in the Godhead? No, they refer to three offices, roles, or relationship to humanity. 5. Does the Bible use the word three in reference to God? Only one verse in the entire Bible does so-I John 5:7. It speaks of the Father, the Word (instead of Son), and the Holy Ghost, and it concludes by saying, "These three are one." 6. Does the Bible use the word one in reference to God? Yes, many times. For example, see Zechariah 14:9; Malachi 2:10; Matthew 23:9; Mark 12:29, 32; John 8:41; 10:30; Romans 3:30; I Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; I Timothy 2:5; James 2:19. 7. Can the mystery of the Godhead be understood? Yes. Romans 1:20; Colossians 2:9; I Timothy 3:16. 8. Has the Christian only one Heavenly Father? Yes. Matthew 23:9. 9. Then why did Jesus say to Philip, "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father" (John 14:9)? Because Jesus is the express image of God's person. Hebrews 1:3. The Greek word for personin this verse literally means "substance." 10. Does the Bible say that there are two persons in the Godhead? No. 11. Does the Bible say that all the Godhead is revealed in one person? Yes, in Jesus Christ. II Corinthians 4:4; Colossians 1:19; 2:9; Hebrews 1:3. 12. Is the mystery of the Deity hidden from some people? Yes. Luke 10:21-22. 13. Who is the Father? The Father is the one God, particularly as revealed in parental relationship to humanity. Deuteronomy 32:6; Malachi 2:10. 14. Where was God the Father while Jesus was on earth? The Father was in Christ. John 14:10; II Corinthians 5:19. He was also in heaven, for God is omnipresent. 15. Did the prophet Isaiah say that Jesus would be the Father? Yes. Isaiah 9:6; 63:16. 16. When God said, "Let us make man in our image" (Genesis 1:26), was He speaking to another person in the Godhead? No. Isaiah 44:24; Malachi 2:10. 17. How many of God's qualities were in Christ? All. Colossians 2:9. 18. How may we see the God who sent Jesus into the world? By seeing Jesus. John 12:44-45; 14:9. 19. Does the Bible say that Jesus is the Almighty? Yes. Revelation 1:8 20. Whom do some designate as the first person in the trinity? God the Father. 21. Whom do some designate as the last person in the trinity? The Holy Ghost. But Jesus said that He was the first and last. Revelation 1:17-18 22. How many persons did John see sitting on the throne in heaven? One. Revelation 4:2. 23. If Jesus is the first and the last, why did God say in Isaiah 44:6 that He was the first and the last? Because Jesus is the God of the Old Testament incarnate. 24. Did Jesus tell Satan that God alone should be worshipped? Yes. Matthew 4:10 25. Does the devil believe in more than one God? No. James 2:19. 26. Does the Bible say that God, who is the Word, was made flesh? Yes John 1:1, 14. 27. For what purpose was God manifested in the flesh? To save sinners. Hebrews 2:9, 14. 28. Was Jesus God manifested in the flesh? Yes. I Timothy 3:16. 29. Could Jesus have been on earth and in heaven at the same time? Yes. John 3:13. 30. Does the Bible say that there is but one Lord? Yes. Isaiah 45:18; Ephesians 4:5. 31. Does the Bible say that Christ is the Lord? Yes. Luke 2:11. 32. Does the Bible say that the Lord is God? Yes. I kings 18:39; Zechariah 14:5; Acts 2:39; Revelation 19:1. |
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3 | IS TONGUES FOR TODAY? | 1 Cor 14:5 | Reformer Joe | 55007 | ||
Thanks for the re-post. We certainly have gone at least 15 minutes without a debate on the Trinity, so I am pleased that you re-hashed something that was settled 1700 years ago yet again. RevC's comments, while extensive, are not a successful defense against the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. First of all, no Trinitarian denies points 1, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 13, 14, 17, 19, 23, 24, 26, 27, 28, 30, 31, and 32. I don't know what he was getting at here, but all of those points fall within trinitarianism. As for the rest of the points, they are either irrelevant (e.g. number 1), based on false premises which have nothing to do with Scriptural revelation whatsoever (such as items 20-21), are not supported by the Scripture verses given (e.g. number 29) or clearly can be seen as non-Oneness in their context (such as number 22, after reading down to Revelation 5:1-6, which shows the One on the throne, God the Father, giving the book to the Lamb, Jesus). I will state my challenge from before. I will hereby renounce Trinitarianism if any of the following things can be shown by you to be unscriptural. 1. There is one God 2. The Father is God. 3. Jesus is God. 4. The Holy Spirit is God. 5. God can exist as all Three simultaneously (e.g. the baptism of Jesus or the transfiguration). 6. The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit do things to each other (Son obeying Father, Father sending Son, Father and Son sending Spirit, Son praying to Father, Father talking audibly to Son, The Son being the mediator and intercessor between us and the Father, the Spirit praying for us to the Father, Father being well-pleased by the Son), and referring to each other in the third person (i.e. using the word "He" in speaking of another One of them). This shows a clear subject-object distinction between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Trinity was not some concocted scheme to accommodate paganism. Nor was it Constantine's iron-fisted control at Nicea. All of the biblical truths above, taken together, mean that God is either triune or deliberately deceiving His creation to make them think that He is. I am more comfortable with the former conclusion! The biggest laugh of all is that the Oneness adherents see no problem with a God who has multiple personalities and talks to Himself and about Himself AS IF He were three in Person; but refuse to acknowledge the true biblical distinction between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, to their own destruction. --Joe! |
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4 | IS TONGUES FOR TODAY? | 1 Cor 14:5 | HamsteRulz | 55016 | ||
Allow me to clarify for all of us Oneness believers. God is a Spirit. He has been that way for infinite time. God then decides that He wants to commune with people. He is now sick and tired of the same old same old with the angels. He wants people who He has given a free chiose to love and obey Him so He created this earth and everything in it. Now when Adam and Eve sinned they chose to cut off that relationship with God. God of course wants to restore that relationship because that was His original intention for creating us. God also wanted to dwell among us because He wanted to be with us so when the Exodus came along God had Moses create a temple wherein He could dwell. For God this eventually got old because He just wasnt quite close enough to us as He would like. And being that that which is spirit is spirit and that which is flech is flesh God just couldnt come down with all His glory and be like, "Here I am!" So God came up with a plan to take on human flesh. He chose a girl, a virgin girl, a girl who knew no man just to show us that He is the Almighty God, and He married her so to speak and she had a child. This child was no ordinary child it was God in the flesh, but because of the natural processes that God created Himself, He chose to be this child, to grow, and to then reveal Himself and regain the relationship that was lost years and years ago. So throughout His 33 years of living, God taught His wisdom that only the omniscience God would know. Then upon His death, He shed his blood for the sins of the world as a sacrifice because that was the only way that He set up for sins to be forgiven at that time. That was also as to say He overcame the flesh. That is something that no normal man has ever been able to overcome on his own, but God because He was a Spirit robed in flesh He was able to overcome the flesh obtaining the keys to death, hell, and the grave. After His death, God made His Spirit available as a gift so that us humans can oversome this flesh as well. That is when we here about the Holy Ghost(Spirit). The Holy Spirit is a small portion of God Himself that dwells in those that ask of Him. The reason why Jesus refered to God(Himself) as the Father was because that is who He was physically. Physically God was Jesus' father even though Jesus was God. Now I personally believe that God does not have three personalities. That is like saying God is crazy and deserves to be in a mental institution. No, God is God and He takes on different forms as well as positions. God is a God of unity as we see throughout the whole Bible. Why then would God DIVIDE Himself. There is ONE God, not three, not three in one, and not two, or two in one, but He is ONE God. |
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5 | IS TONGUES FOR TODAY? | 1 Cor 14:5 | Reformer Joe | 55017 | ||
That's a lot of words, but I am unclear...which one of the 6 points I made are you denying to be Scriptural? As I said before, just prove any ONE of them to not be taught in the Bible, and it is "Goodbye, Trinity!" Best of luck! --Joe! |
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