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1 | IS TONGUES FOR TODAY? | 1 Cor 14:5 | Reformer Joe | 55007 | ||
Thanks for the re-post. We certainly have gone at least 15 minutes without a debate on the Trinity, so I am pleased that you re-hashed something that was settled 1700 years ago yet again. RevC's comments, while extensive, are not a successful defense against the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. First of all, no Trinitarian denies points 1, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 13, 14, 17, 19, 23, 24, 26, 27, 28, 30, 31, and 32. I don't know what he was getting at here, but all of those points fall within trinitarianism. As for the rest of the points, they are either irrelevant (e.g. number 1), based on false premises which have nothing to do with Scriptural revelation whatsoever (such as items 20-21), are not supported by the Scripture verses given (e.g. number 29) or clearly can be seen as non-Oneness in their context (such as number 22, after reading down to Revelation 5:1-6, which shows the One on the throne, God the Father, giving the book to the Lamb, Jesus). I will state my challenge from before. I will hereby renounce Trinitarianism if any of the following things can be shown by you to be unscriptural. 1. There is one God 2. The Father is God. 3. Jesus is God. 4. The Holy Spirit is God. 5. God can exist as all Three simultaneously (e.g. the baptism of Jesus or the transfiguration). 6. The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit do things to each other (Son obeying Father, Father sending Son, Father and Son sending Spirit, Son praying to Father, Father talking audibly to Son, The Son being the mediator and intercessor between us and the Father, the Spirit praying for us to the Father, Father being well-pleased by the Son), and referring to each other in the third person (i.e. using the word "He" in speaking of another One of them). This shows a clear subject-object distinction between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Trinity was not some concocted scheme to accommodate paganism. Nor was it Constantine's iron-fisted control at Nicea. All of the biblical truths above, taken together, mean that God is either triune or deliberately deceiving His creation to make them think that He is. I am more comfortable with the former conclusion! The biggest laugh of all is that the Oneness adherents see no problem with a God who has multiple personalities and talks to Himself and about Himself AS IF He were three in Person; but refuse to acknowledge the true biblical distinction between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, to their own destruction. --Joe! |
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2 | IS TONGUES FOR TODAY? | 1 Cor 14:5 | kalos | 56726 | ||
Reformer Joe: Mumbo jumbo? "And I want to see Scripture not no mumbo jumbo from Strong or any other different references." -- HamsteRulz Attention: Hank, Makarios, Morant61, Reformer Joe, EdB, Searcher56, et al.: Did you know that Strong's Concordance is just a bunch of mumbo jumbo? What say you to that? Your comments, please. Grace to you, kalos |
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