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1 | Whats up with Judgement, calvinists plz? | Rom 9:21 | MrHappyface | 61343 | ||
I am wondering if a calvinist could explain to me why God, if all things are ordained by him, would judge people? what I mean is, if God made us all, and God chose everything we would do, why did he give us the 'illusion' of freewill, and why would he judge us for things he made us do? I can understand it if I except God delegates Authority to man so that we may choose to love him, then I can see why all the suffering and death and pain are worth it to God, because some will "choose" to love him, But if in the end we cannot choose, why did he not simply make us perfect in the first place? God is outside of time, so to me words like foreordained, and foreknew, are meaningless in the context of God himself, though they obviously have meaning to man. |
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2 | Whats up with Judgement, calvinists plz? | Rom 9:21 | Hank | 61353 | ||
Recognizing that you are new to the forum and welcome to it, I would strongly suggest that you use the Search feature and type in Calvinism. The reasoning behind my suggestion is this: The debates on Calvinism have been and, very unforunately for the general good of this forum, continue to be hashed and rehashed over and over to the point of becoming ridiculously repetitive and hence unproductive. Debates on the so-called "5 Points" (TULIP) of Calvinism have waged for centuries among seasoned and learned theologians and have for the most part failed to be resolved. There is no reason to believe that we of the forum, most of whom could not meet the criteria to be called seasoned and learned theologians, will be able to effect any meaningful consensus either. --Hank | ||||||
3 | Whats up with Judgement, calvinists plz? | Rom 9:21 | Mommapbs | 61406 | ||
Greetings Hank- having participated in this frustrating thread I heartily agree with your assessment of our ability to arrive at concensus! (Looks like prayon cut and pasted your post as well - so you BOTH get a copy of my reply) Frankly, I don't want to know what Mr. Calvin believes . . . I do not need him or anyone else to explain God's Truth to me when I have the indwelling Holy Spirit of God, the very mind of Jesus Christ. John 16:13"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come." and also 1 Cor 2:16 "For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ." I'm trusting God to reveal Himself to me - Calvin, Whitfield, Wesley or the Forum are not responsible for this! Just my two cents on this whole thing! Blessings, Mommapbs |
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4 | Whats up with Judgement, calvinists plz? | Rom 9:21 | Hank | 61416 | ||
Mommapbs, blessings to you also! I'll vote (twice if I can get away with it!) to take the Bible with a ton of salt and Calvin and all of his ilk with a grain of salt, if at all. When I want to find out what God says about man, I read His book. When I want to find out what man says about God, I generally sit down and wait until the urge goes away :-) In respect and admiration for your firm faith in the Lord Jesus, I remain as ever, a fellow Christian, a mere Christian and nothing else, merely ... Hank | ||||||